tellboy Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Grachan said: It's not just about riders trying, it's about the significance of the race for supporters in terms of how important it is. The frustrating thing is that the 2 points for a win of 6 or less was dropped because, apparently, it meant fans were disappounted if they dropped a point. Surely that was the whole point of it and why it worked. For me, if the match is won, I would be more than happy to see a rider who needs to bring his average down come out in heat 15 and throw in a nice, handy last place. Jason Doyle himself tweeted last year that it looked like he had ridden himself out of a job, which almost proved to be the case until Somerset picked him up. And I'm not even going to try to explain the "46 points to win a match but the average is 42.5" logic. It's been done to death on here. My view as a supporter on this is most riders will race for the victory in ht 15 regardless of the score.When Lynn race i first look at when they have claimed the victory and then i want them to go on and deny the away team any points at all.Rye House found this out to their cost last season by not getting enough points away. I don't get what you mean by trying to explain the 46 points to win a match.I'm sure 99% of the time you do. And for what it's worth i prefer the old scoring system. Edited April 21, 2018 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, clambo71 said: Has the rule regarding averages changed. It use to be only the 4 programmed rides counted not heat 15 nominated rides. I'm not sure when, or if, your interpretation was the case, but for as long as I have been interested in Averages, it's been all rides in a meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 Of course it matters if the away team get a point or not,all points count towards getting in the play off positions.The point Poole got at BV could be crucial come the end of the season.A point away from home is a good result. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Grachan said: And I'm not even going to try to explain the "46 points to win a match but the average is 42.5" logic. It's been done to death on here. The CMA works on a basis of riders taking four rides a meeting. Seven riders taking four rides each covers 14 heats. Say you have seven 6 point riders in a team. The total average would be 42, under the limit. Then two riders take a heat advantage in heat 15...... A combined team average of 42.5 converts to 45.53 over 15 heats. (15/14x42.5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 6 hours ago, clambo71 said: Has the rule regarding averages changed. It use to be only the 4 programmed rides counted not heat 15 nominated rides. Heat 15 points count towards the averages but when the averages are calculated, the total of points are divided by the number of rides & multiplied by 4 to determine the average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, DunRobin said: Heat 15 points count towards the averages but when the averages are calculated, the total of points are divided by the number of rides & multiplied by 4 to determine the average. Cheers ,I didn't think HT 15 counted..So for example Batch had scored 11 from his first 4 rides. His meetings ave at that point was 11.00..By running a last in HT 15 it brought his ave for that meeting down to 8.80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: Cheers ,I didn't think HT 15 counted..So for example Batch had scored 11 from his first 4 rides. His meetings ave at that point was 11.00..By running a last in HT 15 it brought his ave for that meeting down to 8.80 That's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 On 21/4/2018 at 2:46 PM, DunRobin said: Heat 15 points count towards the averages but when the averages are calculated, the total of points are divided by the number of rides & multiplied by 4 to determine the average. Working the averages out has been no different in years gone by, even the old 'happiness is 40-38' days! Reserves only had 3 programmed rides compared to the top 5 who only had 4. Formula is easy and doesn't change no matter how many rides they have. Points ÷ rides X 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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