dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, Grachan said: Stars get a 4-2 in the last to secure a point. So what? Makes no difference to Swindon, whose top two both scrored lower than their average in heat 15. They'd already secured 3 league points. Bring back the old scoring system. Could make a difference if come the end of the year KL pip Swindon to the last play off spot by 1 point..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Could make a difference if come the end of the year KL pip Swindon to the last play off spot by 1 point..... It should be there in respect of keeping the meeting exciting. That's the main reason it worked. How many King's Lynn fams were there? They would have been the only ones who cared what happened in heat 15. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, semion said: I hope people are not throwing NKI into the same bracket as what we had to endure last season with Folder. Different attitudes, different people. NKI will bounce back from a disappointing start. Once he does in tandem with Lambert they will take some holding in heats 13 and 15 Agree. NKI is a class act. And before the Poole lot start, i know Folders record, but Niels has been very loyal to Lynn and he isn't the kind of rider to score 7 or 8 and think "that will do". He will work on things and after another 4 or 5 meeting i think we will see him in double figures in most meetings without much trouble. Lambo has started the season well. Infact the whole team are, apart from NKI and Kasper at the mo.. Every track is a new track for him. He will need time, and will probably stay at reserve all season, gain a bit of confidence and if he can average 4, he would of done his job. A good start from the "wooden spoon" contenders. Bring on the Pirates Edited April 20, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Stars get a 4-2 in the last to secure a point. So what? Makes no difference to Swindon, whose top two both scrored lower than their average in heat 15. They'd already secured 3 league points. Bring back the old scoring system. Am I missing something? Surely Lynn snatching a point rather than Swindon making sure they didnt still makes it competitive? You cannot beat the old bonus point system tho. Much better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Pinny said: Am I missing something? Surely Lynn snatching a point rather than Swindon making sure they didnt still makes it competitive? You cannot beat the old bonus point system tho. Much better Swindon didn't lose a point. It is now 3 for winning at home regardless of the score. It means pretty much nothing to home supporters whether or not King's Lynn get a point. If it meant Swindon losing one, it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think it's more to do with trying to ensure away teams are sent home pointless. Fewer points your opposition take is less chance of them making the top 4 play offs. It's all about the end of season points tally that counts. Anything you can do to restrict points scoring by the opposition the better. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I think it's more to do with trying to ensure away teams are sent home pointless. Fewer points your opposition take is less chance of them making the top 4 play offs. It's all about the end of season points tally that counts. Anything you can do to restrict points scoring by the opposition the better. Well I think it has taken a lot away from what was a good scoring system. I would think that an awful lot of supporters couldn't give a stuff if the away team gets a point and would be a lot more interested in whether their own side loses one. Out of interest, were any Swindon fans gutted that King's Lynn gained a point from heat 15? Did any even notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 17 hours ago, tellboy said: Hang on Trees don't put me in the same boat as some of those Poole fans.All i said is he needs to shape up quick,i didn't say get rid of him. Sorry, that was below the belt lol It was the tone of ‘he needs to shape up’ that got me, hard on him I thought. Niels has high standards, we know that, we should do after six years, this being his seventh, he has said he’s not 100% fit so we need to give him a few meetings surely rather than coming out with such tough soundbites? Hit a nerve I guess m8.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Grachan said: Well I think it has taken a lot away from what was a good scoring system. I would think that an awful lot of supporters couldn't give a stuff if the away team gets a point and would be a lot more interested in whether their own side loses one. Out of interest, were any Swindon fans gutted that King's Lynn gained a point from heat 15? Did any even notice? Perhaps people don't notice or care at this stage of the season come September teams will be looking to get as many away points as they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Perhaps people don't notice or care at this stage of the season come September teams will be looking to get as many away points as they can. Yup. And the home team supporters won't give a stuff if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 hours ago, DunRobin said: To keep their average down, It can help with team changes if they are needed. Their is no incentive in heat 15, once the match is won at home. Like someone else said, if the away's team's point was taken off the home teams points, bringing down to 2 points, then you might see a different attitude. Thought riders were paid by points scored.So the incentive to win the race is extra £££s.So by keeping there averages down but still winning matches how could you work out this would help with team changes.You need 46 points to win a match,team building average is 42.5 Most riders try in heat 15 regardless,well apart from maybe Batchelor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Grachan said: Yup. And the home team supporters won't give a stuff if they do. Some will, I might dependant on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, tellboy said: Thought riders were paid by points scored.So the incentive to win the race is extra £££s.So by keeping there averages down but still winning matches how could you work out this would help with team changes.You need 46 points to win a match,team building average is 42.5 Most riders try in heat 15 regardless,well apart from maybe Batchelor. Riders can still be paid even if they do not score points and if the bspa continue to have a low team limit certain riders might want to stay in the team for the following year rather than ride themselves out of a job.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) I am in no doubt Batchelor would have given his all to beat them horrible people from East Anglia in heat 15. . It would have made little difference on what he was being paid, or that the points had already been decided, cause he hates Kings Lynn with a vengeance, - and that is what makes the result even sweeter. Only a fool would dismiss the Robins at home, so to push them pretty close I thought we performed impressively. Looking at the scores of last night, we have to be confident of contesting well with all the teams we have to meet on our travels.... That for the predicted Wooden Spoonist, is bound to put egg on quite a few faces.... Edited April 20, 2018 by g13webb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, g13webb said: I am in no doubt Batchelor would have given his all to beat them horrible people from East Anglia in heat 15. . It would have made little difference on what he was being paid, or that the points had already been decided, cause he hates Kings Lynn with a vengeance, - and that is what makes the result even sweeter. Only a fool would dismiss the Robins at home, so to push them pretty close I thought we performed impressively. Looking at the scores of last night, we have to be confident of contesting well with all the teams we have to meet on our travels.... That for the predicted Wooden Spoonist, is bound to put egg on quite a few faces.... Batch hates everyone doesn’t he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, EnglishRoundabout said: Batch hates everyone doesn’t he? No,no,no.Don't forget he loves himself. 30 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Riders can still be paid even if they do not score points and if the bspa continue to have a low team limit certain riders might want to stay in the team for the following year rather than ride themselves out of a job.. Maybe you think your riders are not trying in heat 15,as a paying punter i would be very upset if i thought this was happening at Lynn.Good to see ht 15 at Lynn when Lynn had all the points that R.Lambert wasn't just going through the motions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, tellboy said: No,no,no.Don't forget he loves himself. Maybe you think your riders are not trying in heat 15,as a paying punter i would be very upset if i thought this was happening at Lynn.Good to see ht 15 at Lynn when Lynn had all the points that R.Lambert wasn't just going through the motions Would not worry me if it meant that the following year a good riders average was under 8 ( ie 2018 ) therefore able to stay with and give the team some continuity. Believe me it is not just one club doing it. The continual race to the reducing of the league standard has got to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 12 hours ago, tellboy said: No,no,no.Don't forget he loves himself. Maybe you think your riders are not trying in heat 15,as a paying punter i would be very upset if i thought this was happening at Lynn.Good to see ht 15 at Lynn when Lynn had all the points that R.Lambert wasn't just going through the motions It's not just about riders trying, it's about the significance of the race for supporters in terms of how important it is. The frustrating thing is that the 2 points for a win of 6 or less was dropped because, apparently, it meant fans were disappounted if they dropped a point. Surely that was the whole point of it and why it worked. For me, if the match is won, I would be more than happy to see a rider who needs to bring his average down come out in heat 15 and throw in a nice, handy last place. Jason Doyle himself tweeted last year that it looked like he had ridden himself out of a job, which almost proved to be the case until Somerset picked him up. And I'm not even going to try to explain the "46 points to win a match but the average is 42.5" logic. It's been done to death on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Grachan said: It's not just about riders trying, it's about the significance of the race for supporters in terms of how important it is. The frustrating thing is that the 2 points for a win of 6 or less was dropped because, apparently, it meant fans were disappounted if they dropped a point. Surely that was the whole point of it and why it worked. For me, if the match is won, I would be more than happy to see a rider who needs to bring his average down come out in heat 15 and throw in a nice, handy last place. Jason Doyle himself tweeted last year that it looked like he had ridden himself out of a job, which almost proved to be the case until Somerset picked him up. And I'm not even going to try to explain the "46 points to win a match but the average is 42.5" logic. It's been done to death on here. Has the rule regarding averages changed. It use to be only the 4 programmed rides counted not heat 15 nominated rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 21, 2018 Report Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) I agree about the scoring system, it was one of British speedway's best ever ideas which worked really well, then they went and spoilt it by giving the home team three points for any win. Hopefully one day they'll put it back to how it was. Edited April 21, 2018 by Bagpuss 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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