Gavan Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Thats your opinion, you clearly have a short memory of things and races Chris has produced. But has Kildemand been a world champion. NO.... did you back him at 20/1 when he won the British GP, NO. I had a good little touch thanks, why, because i really had faith in him and what he could and can do. Those that have knocked Chris will eat there words, believe me. Had you had to cope with his personal problems his injuries and other problems you would be running for the hills, Well, crawling anyway.. Im pleased you said you will back him as a team member when he returns, clearly, he's not your cup of T. Its nothing to do with having a short memory. Riders eventually regress through age, some sooner than others. Holder was World Champion 6 years ago so there are now many riders better than him that havent won a world title, Zmarzlik, Dudek being just a couple but there is a long list. Holder was very lucky to get his GP place back so the fact he has been World Champion and Kildemand hasnt is irrelevant. He has had plenty of stuff to deal with, personal issues and injuries but i just don think he will ever hit the heights again. On the other hand will be a good solid heat leader for Poole and will help the other guys. Will he score more than PK? Doubtful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 hours ago, BurntFaceMan said: But where do you draw the line? Newman rode with us for years and unfortunately he wasn't really making any progress. Don't get me wrong, I liked the lad and I was sad to see him go, but surely Brits should need to earn their position just like any other rider? Surely if the position is given to them purely for being British, where is the motivation to excel or push forward? Without that motivation it's just charity. I know it's hard to be open minded when it comes to Brit's, but I just don't believe in gifting positions purely because they are British. I don't think it motivates them to succeed and I don't think it encourages them to be real sportsman. I do agree that they should be given a chance, but surely a season is a chance? 2 seasons? 3 seasons? The trouble was that Newman was as often out as in. Consistent team places and progression is what these Brits need to continue to make their way forward at the top level. Kyle had been making progress particularly in reserve however it's when he was moved up that he struggled and often binned at that point. That's exactly the point they need support for the long term goal. If you plan to just win and short term goals about winning every season then it's unlikely any Brit will be about long enough to move forward. The examples of Ellis and Howarth are perfect examples. Both their clubs stood by them despite some patchy form and both are still improving and becoming bona fide top flight riders. It's clear British riders need all the top flight help they can if we are to ever challenge on the big stage again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 Belle Vue stood by Cook and Worrall during their formative years because they could see the talent they possessed and are now doing the same with Bewley and Bickley. It's in the best interests of the club and UK Speedway to put the time and effort into developing British talent but unfortunately some teams prefer to bring in a stream of foreigners and to disregard the need to help young Brits progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Belle Vue stood by Cook and Worrall during their formative years because they could see the talent they possessed and are now doing the same with Bewley and Bickley. It's in the best interests of the club and UK Speedway to put the time and effort into developing British talent but unfortunately some teams prefer to bring in a stream of foreigners and to disregard the need to help young Brits progress. This is a team sport and therefore it is important to put out the strongest 7 riders possible, regardless of nationality. If British riders are good enough they will get a team berth. If a foriegn rider gets a team spot over a Brit is is because he is a better rider. The top flight in British speedway is not a training ground. British riders don’t have some god given right to get a spot. They have to earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: This is a team sport and therefore it is important to put out the strongest 7 riders possible, regardless of nationality. If British riders are good enough they will get a team berth. If a foriegn rider gets a team spot over a Brit is is because he is a better rider. The top flight in British speedway is not a training ground. British riders don’t have some god given right to get a spot. They have to earn it. Totally wrong how many average foreigners have Poole employed over the years quite a few.You need to look LONGTERM Belle Vue have proved it can be done have faith in the Brits your side on the other hand only employed Brits if they fitted in with the averages Starke, Newman, Howarth,Ellis all treated shabbily. Edited April 18, 2018 by Sidney the robin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally wrong how many average foreigners have Poole employed over the years quite a few.You need to look LONGTERM Belle Vue have proved it can be done have faith in the Brits your side on the other hand only employed Brits if they fitted in with the averages Starke, Newman, Howarth,Ellis all treated shabbily. How many titles have Belle vue won since the millenium? How many have Poole won? Its a sport. In it to win it! If other clubs want to bring on thd young Brits good for them. But I would rather have our stuffed trophy cabinet full of league titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: This is a team sport and therefore it is important to put out the strongest 7 riders possible, regardless of nationality. If British riders are good enough they will get a team berth. If a foriegn rider gets a team spot over a Brit is is because he is a better rider. The top flight in British speedway is not a training ground. British riders don’t have some god given right to get a spot. They have to earn it. That's just rubbish. As Sidney has rightly pointed out many foreigners have been employed when Brits just as good or better have been available. I understand your philosophy of win at all costs but it is just plain wrong if you want the sport here to prosper. It was no coincidence that the last boom in the 70's coincided with a period when British riders were the best in the world. A successful British team gets the national media interested, which increases crowds. The selfish attitude of we've got a full trophy cabinet does nothing for anybody other than your team and now the novelty has worn off and the running streak faltered your crowds are also suffering. Edited April 18, 2018 by Aces51 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How many titles have Belle vue won since the millenium? How many have Poole won? Its a sport. In it to win it! If other clubs want to bring on thd young Brits good for them. But I would rather have our stuffed trophy cabinet full of league titles. Are you that naive the sport as a whole has to prosper to make progress it is not all about one club your club or mine Poole need clubs to race against your philosophy is as long as Poole do well everything is rosy no it is not your club needs teams to race against and year by year that gets more difficult for most clubs. Edited April 18, 2018 by Sidney the robin 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How many titles have Belle vue won since the millenium? How many have Poole won? Its a sport. In it to win it! If other clubs want to bring on thd young Brits good for them. But I would rather have our stuffed trophy cabinet full of league titles. Howarth is coming along quite nicely thanks, so glad Poole dropped him, afterall he helped us to put another trophy in the cabinet in 2016 whilst the highly fancied Poole team failed dismally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Howarth is coming along quite nicely thanks, so glad Poole dropped him, afterall he helped us to put another trophy in the cabinet in 2016 whilst the highly fancied Poole team failed dismally. Adam Ellis is progressing as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Call me wolfie said: Howarth is coming along quite nicely thanks, so glad Poole dropped him, afterall he helped us to put another trophy in the cabinet in 2016 whilst the highly fancied Poole team failed dismally. But since Howarth left Poole we have one 2 titles? Wolves 1? I think he is a good rider but your argument has a flaw in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, poolebolton said: But since Howarth left Poole we have one 2 titles? Wolves 1? I think he is a good rider but your argument has a flaw in it. One or two titles, make your mind up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: One or two titles, make your mind up. He said we have won 2 and Wolves 1.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How many titles have Belle vue won since the millenium? How many have Poole won? Its a sport. In it to win it! If other clubs want to bring on thd young Brits good for them. But I would rather have our stuffed trophy cabinet full of league titles. And the very reason why no Brit with any real ambition would want to sign for Poole. Short term trophy goals are all that matters. When we do have riders ready and able to challenge on the World Stage again if will be because of teams like Belle Vue, Wolves and Swindon who look long term at the future of the sport in the UK and on the world stage. Thank god there are clubs that stand by their Brits. Long may that continue. Is it any coincidence that 2 of those clubs have been crowned league champions the past 2 seasons? ? Just saying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Adam Ellis is progressing as well Fair play to Rosco his record with riders over the years is very good well more than good. I like Adam never been so convinced of him as Rosco but liked him at Ipswich/Lakeside also has done very well for the Robins a few unlucky crashes along the way has hampered him a bit. He now can kick on also I want him to be a big player in the Championship he is well capable of being in the top 20 riders of that league and that is being negative he could even be higher than that. Edited April 18, 2018 by Sidney the robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Sidney the robin said: Totally wrong how many average foreigners have Poole employed over the years quite a few.You need to look LONGTERM Belle Vue have proved it can be done have faith in the Brits your side on the other hand only employed Brits if they fitted in with the averages Starke, Newman, Howarth,Ellis all treated shabbily. Not forgetting Rye House who wait until they are near retirement age 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Heat 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Possibly the best race of the night and no passing. Could have done a dozen laps and the riding order would have remained the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Possibly the best race of the night and no passing. Could have done a dozen laps and the riding order would have remained the same. I'd settle for 15 of them races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) But it wasn’t like that. That was possibly the closest race. Hardly any passing at all, just like Poole on Wednesday. Perhaps they should have shown Worynas move on Bjerre. A better race but of course a Poole 5-1. Edited April 20, 2018 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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