Belle Vue V Poole SGB Prem. A. 16th April 2018

[WestGorton1884]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Got to the stadium at 6.15. Thought we had arrived on the wrong day. Nobody there! No queues at all. Bought our tickets and went in.  Last weeks program with an insert. Total rip off. All clubs do it but its mugging the customers.  I understand clubs need to recoup costs but charge cost price not £3. Includes Poole who gave out the 70th anniversay program with an insert for the same price. Don’t like it.

Spoke to Phil and another guy. Nice chap. Asked Phil to point out this Geoff bloke and the other guy said, why on earth would you want to meet him? The guy is an absolute pillock and an embarrassment to Belle Vue speedway. Seriously,  don’t waste your time talking to him.  Well it seems he is right judging by the posts he has made on here this morning.

Onto the meeting. Well I have to be honest and say it was not good racing. I know the Belle Vue fans will be happy because they won, but as Craig cook said on the mic, you have to gate.

The first 4 heats settled the meeting Belle Vue had their bikes set up straight away and the Poole riders didn’t, resulting in the Belle Vue boys powering away from the tapes leaving us for dead. Brady threw everything at Starke in heat one but absolutely no chance of a pass.

In heat 2 Bewley flew out the traps and was gone. Spanner got second and that was that.

Heat 3 saw Bjerre gate and was gone but Tungate missed it and was nowhere.

Heat 4 and the Belle Vue pair gated and were ten metres up on Kildemand going into the first bend.

Now the Poole riders had all had a ride, setups were adjusted but we were 10 down. Damage done.

Heat 5 saw the first pass of the night. Brady gated with Bjerre second and Woryna third.  Kasper stalked Bjerre and made a fantastice around the outside pass of him on the third bend lap four and then pinned him off bend four for a 5/1. 

Kildemand then won the next from Cook. Spanner battled but no passing.

In heat 7 Fricke gated and was gone but now Poole had got their setups right nd filled in the minor places

Heat 8 was a well won 3-3 with Bewley winning easy. As it was a gaters paradise Shanes had found it hard but gated ahead of Starke and held his place well.

Heat 9 and time for the t/r. Kildemand got away but Brady missed it. He tried every line in the book to no avail. Could get near a pass on Tungate and Bjerre.

Heat ten and Belle Vue make a howler. With Starke coming off the pace and Bewley unbeaten, I had thought it a foregone conclusion that Bewley would be out as a reserve change. But Lemon missed his chance and linus blasted from the tapes for the win. josh G chased cook all the way but not going to pass.

Fricke won heat 11 after a close first bend.

In heat 12 Bewley missed the gate. Result? Stone last. Shows how important it was to gate.

Poole were two down and had to do something in heat 13. Fricke gated and was gone with Brady throwing everything at him. On lap three he went wide again to get some speed which allowed Cook up the inside.

In heat 14 Bewley gated again and won it, with spanner second and Tungate third, after outgating Linus.

So with the meeting lost and 8 points down, I had given up all hope of a point with Fricke and Cook, on 1 and 3, against Kildemand and Josh. How wrong was I? They gated and were gone. Fricked tried a big blast around the outside of bends three and 4 but as they came down the straight Josh firmly shut the door on him, nearly causing a crash. A hard move no doubt about it but Fricke had to shut off and went to the back. Cook was chasing shadows. A suprise 5-1 to Pirates and the bonus point. Chuffed after that.

Overall though the track was a gaters paradise, as even Cook acknowledged when interviewed. A real shame but that’s the way it is sometimes.

For Belle Vue.

Cook was solid

Starke gated in his first then faded. Should have been replaced in his 4th ride.

Bjerre did his job.

Tungate was poor.

Fricke was untouchable until he missed the gate.

Gappmeier scored about the same as Etheridge would have.

Bewley was very good until he missed the gate. Should have had an extra ride.

Poole.

Brady tried all night but if you miss the starts or over try trying to pass you are not going to score many points.

Woryna was good value with his best every score here.

Josh was solid value.

Linus battled until his last ride when he missed the gate.

Kildemand scored 3 wins from the gate.

Spanner was steady.

Shanes gated once and beat Starke.

Considering this was our first away meeting the team did well. 

Poole team looks good and won after the first 4 heats won the rest of the meeting by 6 points. Lots of positives to take from it. Utter nonesense to say there should be team changes. This team is still the strongest in the league and will cruise into the playoffs.

 

I was told The programme was not so much a ‘insert’ as a  last minute change to pay tribute to Ivan Mauger ?

and it was only £1 

otherwise a fair assessment of the nights preceedings 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2018 by WestGorton1884

[Aces High]

28 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Personally Steve, im very happy with a point. This team is open to massive improvement, but it will not happen over night. The team has had rwo meetings together,  and really thats not enough time to gell. As Josh said in y'days Echo, the team is capable of a lot better.  Tomorrow night the track should be a hell of a lot better, given Glyn told me last week the track was a quogmire when he got in on Weds morning. What sleep i do get i wont be losing any, and when Chris returns that will give the side a hell of a boost. Early days. We certainly shouldnt take Swindon lightly tomorrow night. the boys will have to assert there authority from the get go, as Rosco always comes to us prepared..
Its also early days for Glyn as well, but when we get the settled conditions, he will work on the principal of home advantage. Glyn is very good at what he does he's a thinker, and i have total faith in him. It will all come together. Patience is a vertue...

Good post. I think amongst the pre-season hyperbole it got lost that Poole are only retained two young riders from last years team. With such a young team, containing 3 riders who haven't raced in the UK recently, a young lad at reserve and an inexperienced number one it is only right to allow time for the team to gel.  Holder has always been the key to this side and it is unfair to judge them until he is in the mix as his experience will be invaluable. Despite that they have been pretty good so far.

[ouch]

Like Wednesday another fabulous show by The Aces but this time the stand ins did just enough to get the win. Very optimistic about this side should we ever get back to full strength. 

Poole were as expected apart from the poles, if they don’t do it at the NSS then they’re not going to do it elsewhere which is a concern for Middlo. 

No surprise to see PK top scoring with three wins. It’s typical of Belle Vues luck to meet Poole when they are bolstered by his inclusion. They will miss his once Holder comes back. 

 

Racing wise was not up to the usual standard with only eight or nine races of note the pick being Bjerre & Woryna passing and re passing, the blanket race of Ht9 or the awesome Ht12. 

Cook repass of Kurtz for the 5-1 was good to watch too. I’d happily watch it again when the dvd comes out as

it would be worth it just to see how Max avoided carnage following Josh’s  Poole type move. 

Cracking meeting and a real tonic in every sense after last weeks fair. 

[Gavan]

7 minutes ago, ouch said:

Like Wednesday another fabulous show by The Aces but this time the stand ins did just enough to get the win. Very optimistic about this side should we ever get back to full strength. 

Poole were as expected apart from the poles, if they don’t do it at the NSS then they’re not going to do it elsewhere which is a concern for Middlo. 

No surprise to see PK top scoring with three wins. It’s typical of Belle Vues luck to meet Poole when they are bolstered by his inclusion. They will miss his once Holder comes back. 

 

Racing wise was not up to the usual standard with only eight or nine races of note the pick being Bjerre & Woryna passing and re passing, the blanket race of Ht9 or the awesome Ht12. 

Cook repass of Kurtz for the 5-1 was good to watch too. I’d happily watch it again when the dvd comes out as

it would be worth it just to see how Max avoided carnage following Josh’s  Poole type move. 

Cracking meeting and a real tonic in every sense after last weeks fair. 

I would have said the Poles may have done better and yes they will no doubt struggle at Leicester, Rye and Wolves. As ive said although Wolves dont look that strong they would be a match for Poole over 2 legs

Holder wont bring better scoring than PK , but a bit of experience and his presence can bring the other riders up a notch maybe.

Cant see how you can say Josh was 'a Poole type move'. I wouldnt ever say Poole have dirty riders (Not since Dennis Andersson) but it seems form those that were there that Josh was a bit naughty

[Steve Shovlar]

1 hour ago, WestGorton1884 said:

I was told The programme was not so much a ‘insert’ as a  last minute change to pay tribute to Ivan Mauger ?

and it was only £1 

otherwise a fair assessment of the nights preceedings 

 

 

The programme was £3. 

[Starman2006]

24 minutes ago, Gavan said:

I would have said the Poles may have done better and yes they will no doubt struggle at Leicester, Rye and Wolves. As ive said although Wolves dont look that strong they would be a match for Poole over 2 legs

Holder wont bring better scoring than PK , but a bit of experience and his presence can bring the other riders up a notch maybe.

Cant see how you can say Josh was 'a Poole type move'. I wouldnt ever say Poole have dirty riders (Not since Dennis Andersson) but it seems form those that were there that Josh was a bit naughty

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

[ray c]

I will wait and see what this new chris holder will bring to the team cant see him any better than kildermand only time will tell ?

[Gavan]

10 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

As i said Kildemand is scoring what Holder would do but Chris might get the others to raise their game. Holder will score 10's and 11's like Kildemand would do but if his knowledge helps others its better to have Holder than Kildemand

[Sidney the robin]

14 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

I  think many people will be swallowing there words when Chris returns mate. Having watched his meeting over the w'end he looked a lot more like the Chris of old.
Many teams will struggle round Wolves this season next season and the season after. Its a specialised track, but not hard to fathom if you watch...
Josh will come on this season, he has been given the responsabillity of the captaincy, and he is very proud to be our captain, and will lead by example, like Matt says, it will give Chris, when he returns a chance to just ride his bike and re-discover the old Chris Holder, and he will

At the weekend that is the sharpest i have seen Chris look for quite a while early days yet  but to think he will get back to the 2012 version  is a big ask i hope he does a real talent at his best.

[LisaColette]

8 hours ago, Gavan said:

Correct. I wouldn’t let 2 average performances put Poole fans off just yet there’s room for improvement.

Just think of the team Poole could have had of the kept good young Brits like Howarth, Newman and Ellis.

Was looking forward to a match report 

Man you are a walking contradiction! First of all you said we should be worried and now you say not to be. Then you moan at SS about his match reports saying they are too biased and now you want one!

[BurntFaceMan]

4 hours ago, Gavan said:

Thought that Poole would have done better as Belle Vue were seriously weakened and Tungate struggling.

Whats wrong with Shanes? Young Brit giving it a go and he will have good and bad nights. The way Poole have set their team up as long as he chips in 3 or 4 a meeting he will be doing whats expected.

Maybe you could bomb him out same as Howarth, Ellis and Newman , why do Poole not give Brits a chance?

I think Poole did a great job. We have a lot of foreign riders who are UK rusty in general and just starting to gel as a team. Rome wasn't built in a day. Not sure why some people think that Poles should all be able to perform well instantly at the NSS, just because it's big!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? There is a big difference between giving somebody a chance and carrying somebody undeservedly because of their nationality. That would be the very definition of racial discrimination, would it not?

You can try and talk Poole down all you like, but your constant babbling on about how sh*t we are won't make it so. It's very odd your obsession with degrading Poole... I've never seen anything like it. You jump on our threads like flies to sh*t. Your posts are so full of biased vitriol and passive aggression that there is a complete lack of respect among any of the members of this forum for you or anything you write. 

Edited April 17, 2018 by BurntFaceMan

[mikec]

Don't always agree with SS's posts/wind ups, however I think his meeting review was pretty fair. Based on last night, Poole are still title favourites for me, potential race winners throughout their line up. If the Aces can get Tungate firing & Stevie W back fit ASAP then I think we'll join them in the playoffs come September time.

[Gavan]

31 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

I think Poole did a great job. We have a lot of foreign riders who are UK rusty in general and just starting to gel as a team. Rome wasn't built in a day. Not sure why some people think that Poles should all be able to perform well instantly at the NSS, just because it's big!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? There is a big difference between giving somebody a chance and carrying somebody undeservedly because of their nationality. That would be the very definition of racial discrimination, would it not?

You can try and talk Poole down all you like, but your constant babbling on about how sh*t we are won't make it so. It's very odd your obsession with degrading Poole... I've never seen anything like it. You jump on our threads like flies to sh*t. Your posts are so full of biased vitriol and passive aggression that there is a complete lack of respect among any of the members of this forum for you or anything you write. 

Im not saying Rome was built in a day. Im saying i would have expected the Poles to go better at the NSS then anywhere else. Cant see them doing much on the smaller tracks but i may be wrong.

Poole dont really give Brits that much of a chance if you look at the bigger picture and personally i dont see much wrong with Shanes at number 7, he is only expected to get 3 or 4 points a meeting.

I havent gone on about how sh.t Poole are and please find where i have degraded them?

Poole quite clearly have the best 1-7 on paper but titles are not won on paper.

Before a wheel was turned i said the Poles may be flaky.....Kurtz needs to step up more (which i think he will) Linus will not be as good as Hans......and there is doubts over Holder.

I agreed Poole have the best team but if im not allowed to say i felt doubts over some of the riders then whats the point of the forum? I feel riders have to perform to their ability then Poole will win the league but for me there are question marks

I would have expected Poole to do better last night on a track the riders should go well at. If they cant beat a patched up Belle Vue on a track they should enjoy , then i dont hold out much hope for them going to places like Wolves where you would expect Poole to struggle.

Im sorry if your to precious to accept other peoples opinions and feel that it has to be anti Poole if someone doesnt say they will walk the league

[foreverblue]

As far as James Shanes goes I think he has done his job, I am sure he will improve and he fights for every point which is why he is liked so much by most Poole fans. If he could gate more consistently then that would help too.

[Gavan]

4 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

As far as James Shanes goes I think he has done his job, I am sure he will improve and he fights for every point which is why he is liked so much by most Poole fans. If he could gate more consistently then that would help too.

Totally agree

The Poole side was built with technically 3 riders who could be a number 1 in Kurtz, Holder and Josh which on paper is possibly the strongest top 3 in the league with Linus able to step up if need be.

Shanes is the best low averaged number 7 and if the top boys do their job he will need 3 or 4 a meeting, which im sure he will do. If Poole dont win the league it wont be down to Shanes, it will be due to one of the top boys not doing their job

[stevebrum]

42 minutes ago, BurntFaceMan said:

  I didn't say there was anything wrong with Shanes, other than I don't rate him. Poole have given plenty of Brits a chance. A chance is an opportunity isn't it? Wouldn't you say several years in the team is more than a fair chance? 

Poole have only really given Brits a chance because of the enforced ruling about using them at reserve. Shanes is only really in because his 2 point average fits. 

Poole have certainly not supported the likes of Howarth and Newman as assets by sacking them. Wolves took a chance on Howarth and are now reaping the benefit with his best ever season at both levels in 2017 and has started 2018 with a top flight paid maximum.

I'd rather ALL clubs looked after their Brits to help them progress. Some clubs obviously do so much better than others,  Belle Vue another great example.

[WestGorton1884]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

The programme was £3. 

Fair enough, 

The version i got was basically 2 pages , the race card and a cover with Ivan on ?

Looked like It'd been knocked up last minute on a printer ?, either way as you say not very professional from BV  

[Starman2006]

5 hours ago, ray c said:

I will wait and see what this new chris holder will bring to the team cant see him any better than kildermand only time will tell ?

Defeatist attitude mate, you should be backing him not selling him down the river..

[Starman2006]

5 hours ago, Gavan said:

As i said Kildemand is scoring what Holder would do but Chris might get the others to raise their game. Holder will score 10's and 11's like Kildemand would do but if his knowledge helps others its better to have Holder than Kildemand

Spot on...

[Starman2006]

4 hours ago, foreverblue said:

As far as James Shanes goes I think he has done his job, I am sure he will improve and he fights for every point which is why he is liked so much by most Poole fans. If he could gate more consistently then that would help too.

Give it time mate, he will.