Hamish McRaker Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 How much time elapsed between the riders track walk and the start of heat 1? And when did the ref inspect the track? What involvement did the track curator have? It's well known that in these circumstances the condition of the track can change very quickly, by changes to atmospheric conditions and it wouldn't have needed a meteorologist to have said "hang on, let's have another look". But did anyone do that, or did they collectively just press on and trust to luck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Palm-Toft has also said the track looked fine. It sounds like it deceived everyone, I think the 2 captains should be able to do a few laps each pre meeting to judge the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Woz01 said: Palm-Toft has also said the track looked fine. It sounds like it deceived everyone, I think the 2 captains should be able to do a few laps each pre meeting to judge the track. Or as in Poland, in discussion with riders the manager selects 2 riders to have 2x 1 minute practice laps. Pit gate opens, 2 riders from away team take to track. One minute practice then red flag out, riders return to the pits and home team 2 riders go out. This is then repeated with same 4 riders. Not rocket science 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Woz01 said: Palm-Toft has also said the track looked fine. It sounds like it deceived everyone, I think the 2 captains should be able to do a few laps each pre meeting to judge the track. In current climatic conditions it's plain old common sense to keep checking track conditions and not presume they will remain the same. But common sense goes out of the window when other motivations take over. There just seemed to be an absence of common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Was anyone posting on here actually at the meeting. If so, who was the referee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuxtonTiger said: Was anyone posting on here actually at the meeting. If so, who was the referee? The ref listed on the prog was Chris Durno. The track conditions changed very quickly between the track walk and the start. Riders coming back in from the track walk did not have issues. I agree with the suggestion that it would have been a good idea if a couple of riders had tested the track about 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) SWINDON boss Alun Rossiter has hit back at the critics who have slammed the club for the events of the abandoned clash with Leicester. Social media went into overdrive with various characters voicing their opinions, many of whom weren’t in attendance and aware of the full facts. Rossiter said: “Before I go any further I just want to repeat this – everyone at Swindon Speedway would like to offer our sincere best wishes to Martin Vaculik for a quick recovery from his injury. Nobody wants to see that. Similarly Michael Palm Toft. “There are certain issues which need addressing here and I’m keen to point out the facts. Not just opinion gleaned from reading a timeline, facts. “I was stood with two top Leicester riders just minutes before the first race and at no time did either rider express any concerns about the track to me. “At no time did any rider express any concerns about the track to the referee, Chris Durno. “On the contrary, we were complimented for the way the track appeared after all the rain it had taken. “The biggest concern was the mist and the risk to visibility – not the track.“Our clerk of the course told riders we weren’t doing a normal parade but they were free to go out and try a lap on the track – nobody took him up on this offer. “Nobody was forced out there, nobody was told they must go out and ride, nobody said they wouldn’t, the consensus was simply get on with it. “I’ve read a broad spectrum of opinions and the truth is hindsight is a wonderful thing. Some riders involved have been on social media saying certain things, well why didn’t they say it to the referee, clerk of the course or myself? Anybody who knows me knows I’ll always listen, I’m a former rider remember, I want safety for the boys. “I feel for the injured boys and feel for our fans and sponsors, it was a bad night and the weather has made this the worst possible start for the sport across the country. Speedway in the UK is in desperate need of a break in the weather, more than ever before.” Edited April 13, 2018 by hyabb17 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think it's time to stop apportioning blame, riders got injured, no one wants to see that. Alan Rossiter has put out a statement on the Swindon website and apparently riders were offered the chance to try out the track by the Clerk of the Course but no one took up the offer. What we should be doing is wishing the injured riders a speedy recovery and hope this awful weather that is causing havoc to the sport we love improves so that riders, promoters and referees don't get put in the no win situation they were in last night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 With Vaculik now out for a period, Kildemand will be finished at Poole by next week. Could make a good replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 It's a lack of clear command and control. All systems failures come down to this. It's no good trying to deflect the "blame" onto the riders. There should be somebody or a group of persons who have clear and unequivocal command, and carry that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Mafiarule said: This could be a early contender for most idiotic posting on forum I'm right end of story. Not even debateable. You lot can make as many excuses as you like it doesn't bother me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, dump that clutch said: MFF ... what a plank. Nope. Hans's opinion on Twitter is all I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Grachan said: Read Danny King's comments. Nobody, including Hans Andersen, complained about the track beforehand. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Na I'm ok ill get Hans's opinion from the man himself. He should it should never have started so its crystal clear. Anyway its happened now nothing is going to change so there is no point in continuing the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 What a plank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, thecoombdog said: Hes the biggest joke on here. Changed teams once and never attends a live meeting. As biased as Shovlar and Starman are at least they go and support the team. Keep going fella. Love the insults keep them coming as soon as I tell the truth people like you cant even have a sensible debate about it because you know that I'm right. You said the meeting shouldn't have started. Hans said the meeting shouldn't have started. End of story its not even debateable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, A ORLOV said: What a plank Whatever. Your opinion doesn't make a difference to my life so say what you like I really don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Matt Ford Fan said: Whatever. Your opinion doesn't make a difference to my life so say what you like I really don't care. A nobody accepts yours kks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, A ORLOV said: A nobody accepts yours kks I don't care. I really don't care. Not my problem if the sensitive ones don't like it. I cant be asked with all the back and forth BS with you lot at the end of the day I don't dwell on things and let the BSF run my life unlike some of you. Its happened nothing is going to change end of story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonny the spud Posted April 13, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 “ I don’t let BSF run my life” says the man who spends half his life trolling in it. Were you there last night ? ( I was). Did you speak to any of the riders or managers before or after the meeting ( I did) have you read Rosco’s statement? No ? You made up your mind because of something you read on the internet. Riders and managers had the chance to test or protest before heat 1 and no one chose to. They decided to get on with it for the fans who actually get off their ârses and go to meetings rather than the numpties who sit at home criticising. It didn’t work out and unfortunately some riders got injured. Still, some bloke who’s never been on a bike saw something on the internet and is more informed than anyone who was there. Thsts ok then. Sorry. You’re completely right. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Midland Red said: Regarding the suggestion that riders should be allowed to "test ride" the track before the meeting - on many occasions in televised meetings one hears the comment "the track will come to the riders later in the meeting" Therefore, wouldn't everyone - riders, mechanics and spectators - benefit from there being a practice session immediately prior to every meeting? The bikes would be correctly set up, track conditions and (to the visiting riders) size and shape would be experienced, and the track itself would "come to the riders" earlier in the meeting - all this would improve the spectators' experience I've said this for years!..it seems SO OBVIOUS and sensible that there must be some reason we are not aware of that is stopping this happening? or is it just that those in control of speedway really ARE that thick?!! The shouty twins time and time again spout on that the track will get better after a few heats and so will the racing and for once, they are mostly correct as it generally does! so why is this not happening NOW? Would have stopped any injuries last night and also would have improved the "entertainment" on show for hundreds of meetings over the past years and given the (all too often forgotten) spectators better value for their hard earned money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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