Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, stevebrum said: Evidence is indeed there, no rider complained about the track before heat 1. The rest of information is moaning after the event. Very little to add to those facts. Fact is Swindon are lying. Fact is all riders didn't vote to ride (Hans) Fact is MPT wasn't informed about being allowed to do a practice lap. Fact is the meeting should never have started and all of this could have been avoided. Very little to add to those facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Matt Ford Fan said: Fact is Swindon are lying. Fact is all riders didn't vote to ride (Hans) Fact is MPT wasn't informed about being allowed to do a practice lap. Fact is the meeting should never have started and all of this could have been avoided. Very little to add to those facts. Depends who you believe. 2 riders out 14 apparently moaned after the event. 12 out of 14 said it was okay. (If you take out the moaners). I believe the 12 and Swindon . Nothing else to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Fact is Swindon are lying. Fact is all riders didn't vote to ride (Hans) Fact is MPT wasn't informed about being allowed to do a practice lap. Fact is the meeting should never have started and all of this could have been avoided. Very little to add to those facts. After the event & what is said is not a fact. It’s hindsight which has been explained to you. Pls come along to the Abbey to watch your beloved Poole & perhaps you can call the Swindon promotion liars to their faces rather than hiding behind a keyboard. Bring all the facts with you. Oh, MPT also said that the track was fine on the track walk...I can also pick out what I want from social media. Edited April 13, 2018 by hyabb17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, hyabb17 said: After the event is not a fact. It’s hindsight which has been explained to you. Pls come along to the Abbey to watch your beloved Poole & perhaps you can call the Swindon promotion liars to their faces rather than hiding behind a keyboard. Bring all the facts with you. Oh, MPT also said that the track was fine on the track walk...I can also pick out what I want from social media. said before not a poole supporter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, ray c said: said before not a poole supporter ? I know Ray C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Richard Weston said: I think what happened at Swindon makes a case for all riders to have two laps (max?) as a "sighter" before racing starts– if they want. After all, in F1 and MotoGP they do a lap before re-forming on the grid for the actual start of the race. What's not to like? Of course, best wishes for a speedy recovery to those injured last night (and elsewhere, already this season). I don’t disagree with this at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Depends who you believe. 2 riders out 14 apparently moaned after the event. 12 out of 14 said it was okay. (If you take out the moaners). I believe the 12 and Swindon . Nothing else to add. Then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it and I believe MPT and Hans. So we have to agree to disagree. Just now, hyabb17 said: After the event & what is said is not a fact. It’s hindsight which has been explained to you. Pls come along to the Abbey to watch your beloved Poole & perhaps you can call the Swindon promotion liars to their faces rather than hiding behind a keyboard. Bring all the facts with you. Oh, MPT also said that the track was fine on the track walk...I can also pick out what I want from social media. Wouldn't want to waste money on a meeting that will get called off before a race has been completed. Not picking out just pointing out a fib from the Swindon statement. 2 minutes ago, ray c said: said before not a poole supporter ? That's your opinion. But you are 100% wrong. Just like the vast majority have been on the whole debate about last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it and I believe MPT and Hans. So we have to agree to disagree. It's not my opinion that 12 out of 14 riders thought the track was ok to ride, it's a fact. I'm more than happy to believe those facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, stevebrum said: It's not my opinion that 12 out of 14 riders thought the track was ok to ride, it's a fact. I'm more than happy to believe those facts. Like I said we have to agree to disagree and leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Jeez is all this bickering still going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, noggin said: Jeez is all this bickering still going on. Yes it is the idiot KKS still being a right numpty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 And still they bite ..even when you tell people . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirl Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Following the injury to Martin Vaculik on Thursday I’ve been looking for any official details of his injury I come on to the thread ( not very often these days due to the drivel that some spew out) to find out only to read 10 pages of Swindon bashing and the same sh**e over and over again,by the same offender Pretty sad really when your not even a Swindon supporter hey Facts are nobody forced them on to the track,accidents happen and that’s speedway just a shame that we’ve lost Martin Get well soon and look forward to the next time he’s on the bike Shirl 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 When these situations happens, it should be essential that the BSPA learn from them and make amendments to address any issues that became evident. It is wrong to place the blame squarely on the Referee. Track conditions can change and riders opinions can as well. We need to have guidelines in place to react when these situations happen... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bump Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, g13webb said: When these situations happens, it should be essential that the BSPA learn from them and make amendments to address any issues that became evident. It is wrong to place the blame squarely on the Referee. Track conditions can change and riders opinions can as well. We need to have guidelines in place to react when these situations happen... Exactly. The idea of allowing riders from each team to feel track conditions on the bike beforehand would likely have prevented the subsequent problems. Can’t believe that would be difficult to implement. Hope someone’s listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 hours ago, g13webb said: When these situations happens, it should be essential that the BSPA learn from them and make amendments to address any issues that became evident. It is wrong to place the blame squarely on the Referee. Track conditions can change and riders opinions can as well. We need to have guidelines in place to react when these situations happen... So who has ultimate responsibility for speedway meetings? I'm presuming the referee by authority delegated to him/her from the ACU. Has to be someone in command, otherwise you get chaos with every Tom Dick and Harry trying to lay claim to being in authority. By all means the referee can listen and seek opinions, but they should be able to intervene with full authority and take charge when these situations exist, where so many variables are at play. I won't shift from my view this was caused, as most system failures are, by weak management and fully agree that it needs prompt investigation with Crystal clear directives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Ill leave this here. The following is from Kyle Newman's Dad. yes they were given the opportunity to do a lap, a parade lap with no helmets. Therefore that is not the practice lap that Swindon and Rosco claim. Palm-Toft also knew nothing about a practice lap. Swindon lying end of story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, Matt Ford Fan said: Ill leave this here. The following is from Kyle Newman's Dad. yes they were given the opportunity to do a lap, a parade lap with no helmets. Therefore that is not the practice lap that Swindon and Rosco claim. Palm-Toft also knew nothing about a practice lap. Swindon lying end of story. The irony of this is unbelievable....Wasn’t you the one who said “i’ll Believe Hans over a riders Dad who was there” & now this....you can’t make this up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, hyabb17 said: The irony of this is unbelievable....Wasn’t you the one who said “i’ll Believe Hans over a riders Dad who was there” & now this....you can’t make this up. It's laughable when you make a claim that you have previously dismissed, sometimes people really do forget what they say and completely expose themselves. Although it's not like it's unexpected. Hopefully some good will come out of this that will save another situation like this. And a few lap practice for anyone that wants to when the conditions are anything but perfect the expected outcome. How can all the riders get the conditions so wrong on the track walk? ?? They were happy to start which says all we need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, hyabb17 said: The irony of this is unbelievable....Wasn’t you the one who said “i’ll Believe Hans over a riders Dad who was there” & now this....you can’t make this up. To make it easy for you. I believe everyone that's not on Swindon's side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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