Orbiter Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: It used to get a bit heated sometimes back in the day(80's) when Ippo came to town.Big crowds back then.My mate got headbutted by an Ippo supporter on the second bend once The good old days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: It’s going to go into meltdown when we beat you again. Poole are a better team than Belle Vue. You are already carrying Tungate. And you are as wrong as Gavan. Six points from Cook and Worrall would have made the scores closer but no win. try reading the posts properly, 6 pts from EACH of Cook and Worrall (easily achievable) would've given the pts to Belle Vue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: It’s going to go into meltdown when we beat you again. Poole are a better team than Belle Vue. You are already carrying Tungate. And you are as wrong as Gavan. Six points from Cook and Worrall would have made the scores closer but no win. That would be the same Tungate you now say we're carrying that you claimed in the Aces v Poole thread, when trying again to claim r/r wouldn't weaken us, would win his race when taking a r/r for Worrall on Monday. You can't even be consistent in your opinions made on the same day. Any speedway fan capable of being objective would have anticipated Cook and Worrall scoring a combined total of at least 15 to 20. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 33 minutes ago, hyderd said: try reading the posts properly, 6 pts from EACH of Cook and Worrall (easily achievable) would've given the pts to Belle Vue. No it wouldn’t. It probably would have given you a bonus point either. Take a look back at Grachans post for explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Are we talking the current Australian Champion, Rohan Tungate, who defeated Brady Kurtz and Max Fricke to win said title? Upon reflection of seeing him perform live for the first time in 2018, like a reasonable human being Steve has changed his opinion. Would you prefer he stubbornly digs his heels and refuses to change his opinion to suit your narrative? Shovvy is at worst a pantomime villian who plays up to his role and hits all his marks. And you all get to scream and holler in the correct spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Aces51 said: That would be the same Tungate you now say we're carrying that you claimed in the Aces v Poole thread, when trying again to claim r/r wouldn't weaken us, would win his race when taking a r/r for Worrall on Monday. You can't even be consistent in your opinions made on the same day. Any speedway fan capable of being objective would have anticipated Cook and Worrall scoring a combined total of at least 15 to 20. Tungate around NSS is a different rider to the one that goes awol on his travels. Against this very good Poole team who knows what they would have scored? They were not there. Hell its like saying next Monday night, if Kildemand scores two points, that Holder would have scored at least 13. If they are not there they can’t score! Let’s see what happens in the B fixture. I have a feeling if Cook and Worrall rides, Poole will still win comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bleeds Pirate Blue said: Are we talking the current Australian Champion, Rohan Tungate, who defeated Brady Kurtz and Max Fricke to win said title? Upon reflection of seeing him perform live for the first time in 2018, like a reasonable human being Steve has changed his opinion. Would you prefer he stubbornly digs his heels and refuses to change his opinion to suit your narrative? Shovvy is at worst a pantomime villian who plays up to his role and hits all his marks. And you all get to scream and holler in the correct spots. Your do realise that both comments were made today? 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: Tungate around NSS is a different rider to the one that goes awol on his travels. Against this very good Poole team who knows what they would have scored? They were not there. Hell its like saying next Monday night, if Kildemand scores two points, that Holder would have scored at least 13. If they are not there they can’t score! Let’s see what happens in the B fixture. I have a feeling if Cook and Worrall rides, Poole will still win comfortably. You were referring to Mondays meeting at the NSS when you said firstly that he would score 3 when replacing Worrall and when a few hours later you said we were carrying him. Not to an away meeting. Saying if a guest rider scores 2 that the absent team member would have scored 13 is a valid comment to make if it is supported by similar scoring and exactly the sort of comment you would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Tungate around NSS is a different rider to the one that goes awol on his travels. Against this very good Poole team who knows what they would have scored? They were not there. Hell its like saying next Monday night, if Kildemand scores two points, that Holder would have scored at least 13. If they are not there they can’t score! Let’s see what happens in the B fixture. I have a feeling if Cook and Worrall rides, Poole will still win comfortably. Tungate has had some stinkers at the NSS too mate, he does not convince me at all. I dont think his home form on the occasions he does go well compensate for his dire away showings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 To be fair guys I think we have it all wrong.......on reflection if it was the other way round with Poole losing by ten at Belle Vue and say Kurtz and Josh G were missing with their guest replacements only scoring five between them, I'm sure Mr Shovlar would be consistent and say that 'Belle Vue would have won anyway' and ' if my auntie had balls' etc. I'm sure he wouldn't make a peep bemoaning absences or poor guests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Bagpuss said: To be fair guys I think we have it all wrong.......on reflection if it was the other way round with Poole losing by ten at Belle Vue and say Kurtz and Josh G were missing with their guest replacements only scoring five between them, I'm sure Mr Shovlar would be consistent and say that 'Belle Vue would have won anyway' and ' if my auntie had balls' etc. I'm sure he wouldn't make a peep bemoaning absences or poor guests. Question. Was it within the rules for Belle Vue to use Batchelor? Cook was absent and no facility should have been granted as it was not illness or speedway related injury. Unless the rules have changed it should have been a CL 6 pointer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 I think there is too much being read into last nights match up. Poole will improve once their new riders get use to the track, as long as Ford can keep it consistent. So no need for Poole fans to feel down about last night narrow victory over a very weakened Aces line-up. Holder is Back banging in those 5/6s things will turn around. Pirates fans keep the faith. It’s a long season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: No you get the stick because of your arrogance and complacency and seeming inability to realise that childish gloating only offends those with a brain. You hide behind "prove it" and try to comfort yourselves that "the haters are just jealous". No, there are serious concerns about Poole's role in the current collapse of British Speedway. The sport has lost credibility here and the never-ending 'pure coincidence' of rules being changed to suit Poole's needs is a root cause. You boast about being champions. Try behaving like champions and you might finally get some respect. Blind faith isn't supporting your club or sport. Sorry Rob, but please prove, that the rules are changed to suit Poole. The rules are there for every club, and every club has the same opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Question. Was it within the rules for Belle Vue to use Batchelor? Cook was absent and no facility should have been granted as it was not illness or speedway related injury. Unless the rules have changed it should have been a CL 6 pointer. Rules were changed a few years ago- several previous occasions facilities have been granted for labour day(not necessarily May 7th ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, racers and royals said: Rules were changed a few years ago- several previous occasions facilities have been granted for labour day(not necessarily May 7th ) Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Question. Was it within the rules for Belle Vue to use Batchelor? Cook was absent and no facility should have been granted as it was not illness or speedway related injury. Unless the rules have changed it should have been a CL 6 pointer. I wish we went that route 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 A 6 point CL rider would probably have scored more than Batchelor managed. Could hardly have done much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Batchelor was frankly a disgrace. He just didn’t want to know. How many more clubs can he let down when booked as a guest? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: What? Looking forward to the Swindon meeting next week. The return of Batchelor. Oh, and Brady V Morris, who is meant to be better than the Poole number one. Gavan said Morris is better than Kurtz, so he must be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: Gavan said Morris is better than Kurtz, so he must be Not actually correct Gavin said the averages last season said Morris was better than Brady 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Batchelor was frankly a disgrace. He just didn’t want to know. How many more clubs can he let down when booked as a guest? Batch only cares about Batch..But is no match for Buster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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