IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 7:06 AM, mikebv said: A good interview with Rob Godfrey too, which details some of the background work being done re saving tracks and reducing costs... Is this the same Rob Godfrey that has been at the helm since 2019 and for whatever reason has seen the demise of Rye House, Somerset, Swindon, Lakeside, Newcastle, Workington, Buxton, Cradley Heath, Eastbourne, Isle of Wight & Stoke since the end of the 2018 season... surely the most disastrous chairmanship of anybody in the history of sport. I'm not sure he's the man for the job personally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 11:16 AM, The Dog said: I've noticed some of the photos appear to be losing quality and sharpness lately, is this down to the different paper it's printed on or just the photographer? Back in the day when it used to be Speeway Star vs Speedway Mail the 2 headline photographers used to be Mike Patrick for SS and Ken Carpenter (I think) for SMI. For me even though SS was a magazine and SMI a newspaper the photo's from Ken Carpenter were far superior in clarity than Mike Patricks and even more so when SMI went to a magazine format. For some reason though it was Mike Patrick that got the notoriety... just shows what a silly pair of trousers and a bit of showmanship can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) On 11/25/2022 at 7:06 AM, mikebv said: Another excellent read this week.. Part 1 of an interview with David Gordon being particularly enlightening... He mentions the Sky money and how it varied from £1m to £1.5m a year in total, and basically paid for "highly priced GP riders to race in the Elite League" which left no money over for investment in the sport.. A good interview with Rob Godfrey too, which details some of the background work being done re saving tracks and reducing costs... An excellent publication once again.... It would have been nice to know why the SCB made the decision re Robert Lambert when the BSPL have sole authority to approve or not on team line ups, perhaps this will be revealed in time. Edited November 26, 2022 by bigcatdiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, iainb said: Is this the same Rob Godfrey that has been at the helm since 2019 and for whatever reason has seen the demise of Rye House, Somerset, Swindon, Lakeside, Newcastle, Workington, Buxton, Cradley Heath, Eastbourne, Isle of Wight & Stoke since the end of the 2018 season... surely the most disastrous chairmanship of anybody in the history of sport. I'm not sure he's the man for the job personally As he says in the interview all clubs are standalone businesses. if the owners can't make it pay or decide to close them or Chuck their teddies from the pram there's not a lot that can be done to keep them open as not many people are willing to put money into speedway. As matter of interest could you point out which clubs could of been saved by the Bspl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: It would have been nice to know why the SCB made the decision re Robert Lambert when the BSPL have sole authority to approve or not on team line ups, perhaps this will be revealed in time. Presumably they only have sole authority within the SCB rulebook- the BSPL were no doubt interpreting a rule one way and when the SCB got involved interpreted it another way- typical badly worded rules !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Presumably they only have sole authority within the SCB rulebook- the BSPL were no doubt interpreting a rule one way and when the SCB got involved interpreted it another way- typical badly worded rules !!! ...which has been the case with the speedway rulebook for many years and open to all sorts of interpretation/abuse and finding loop holes of which Ian Thomas was a great advocate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 minute ago, steve roberts said: ...which has been the case with the speedway rulebook for many years and open to all sorts of interpretation/abuse and finding loop holes of which Ian Thomas was a great advocate! I wasn`t so shabby myself- RR for Tara O` Callaghan all season and objecting to Oxford successfully when they broke the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, iainb said: Is this the same Rob Godfrey that has been at the helm since 2019 and for whatever reason has seen the demise of Rye House, Somerset, Swindon, Lakeside, Newcastle, Workington, Buxton, Cradley Heath, Eastbourne, Isle of Wight & Stoke since the end of the 2018 season... surely the most disastrous chairmanship of anybody in the history of sport. I'm not sure he's the man for the job personally Whether he is or not, you dont see a queue of promoters fighting with each other to take over from him do you? A thankless task I would imagine... I remember reading Jon Cook's summary of his time on the MC in the Star and the amount of pressure he got put under when being asked (often at the last minute), to make a ruling on a guest replacement for example... Promoters threatening to not run meetings, close tracks down, if they didnt get the result they wanted... Unfortunately so much of the issue all goes back ultimately to having a "subjective rule book" rather than a "specific" one... Meaning interpretation is often allowed... With the ultimate in fudge and cop out being the "in Speedway's interest" catch all caveat.... So many issues... Yet. So many are self inflicted... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: As he says in the interview all clubs are standalone businesses. if the owners can't make it pay or decide to close them or Chuck their teddies from the pram there's not a lot that can be done to keep them open as not many people are willing to put money into speedway. As matter of interest could you point out which clubs could of been saved by the Bspl That may very well be the case and I'm sure he does a perfectly good enough job for your club, but... I'm afraid they are the facts, 11 clubs gone to the wall under his stewardship and while not directly his fault it is his job to provide inspiration, ideas and leadership, like any leader of any organisation... and what do we get? The most shambolic season in the history of the sport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, racers and royals said: I wasn`t so shabby myself- RR for Tara O` Callaghan all season and objecting to Oxford successfully when they broke the rules Jusrt don't mention Peter Ravn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, iainb said: That may very well be the case and I'm sure he does a perfectly good enough job for your club, but... I'm afraid they are the facts, 11 clubs gone to the wall under his stewardship and while not directly his fault it is his job to provide inspiration, ideas and leadership, like any leader of any organisation... and what do we get? The most shambolic season in the history of the sport! Unfortunately you can only lead from the front if the followers want to follow and as is blatantly obvious they don't . Example let's do 2 home 2 away meetings to increase the fixtures to be more relevant majority agree so announcement is made 10 days later the followers don't want it so major u turn like is said individual businesses running there own way and the organisation can't sanction them as they need them . Season runs over because of a load of different circumstances yet it's the organisations leader who is vilified and not the individuals who run the clubs who choose not to run for weeks on end during the warmest summer for years again clubs will only do what suits them and not the sport Edited November 26, 2022 by phillwhitewasmad 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: I wasn`t so shabby myself- RR for Tara O` Callaghan all season and objecting to Oxford successfully when they broke the rules ...strewth! I remember that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Unfortunately you can only lead from the front if the followers want to follow and as is blatantly obvious they don't . Example let's do 2 home 2 away meetings to increase the fixtures to be more relevant majority agree so announcement is made 10 days later the followers don't want it so major u turn like is said individual businesses running there own way and the organisation can't sanction them as they need them . Season runs over because of a load of different circumstances yet it's the organisations leader who is vilified and not the individuals who run the clubs who choose not to run for weeks on end during the warmest summer for years again clubs will only do what suits them and not the sport Yes, totally agree... I'll admit I've not read his interview in the SS, I can only go by what has been put out on socials and websites, but what has he said about any of this? Why hasn't he been transparent about what's going on? As a leader he should be calling these clubs out instead he's complicit in his silence. If he can't control the clubs, which must be like herding cats, then he should stand down and allow somebody else to lead while there are still clubs around to be led Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, iainb said: Yes, totally agree... I'll admit I've not read his interview in the SS, I can only go by what has been put out on socials and websites, but what has he said about any of this? Why hasn't he been transparent about what's going on? As a leader he should be calling these clubs out instead he's complicit in his silence. If he can't control the clubs, which must be like herding cats, then he should stand down and allow somebody else to lead while there are still clubs around to be led Don't think anyone else wants the job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Don't think anyone else wants the job The sport in this country is doomed then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, iainb said: The sport in this country is doomed then Personally don't think so I agree it needs more positivity . Negativity breeds more negativity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, iainb said: Yes, totally agree... I'll admit I've not read his interview in the SS, I can only go by what has been put out on socials and websites, but what has he said about any of this? Why hasn't he been transparent about what's going on? As a leader he should be calling these clubs out instead he's complicit in his silence. If he can't control the clubs, which must be like herding cats, then he should stand down and allow somebody else to lead while there are still clubs around to be led May be you should read his very extensive interview. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a fan of his but it's a pretty detailed explanation on a number of topics and very interesting. He is lets not forget now a Director of BSPL. As are others at the top table. That's a far more responsible position than the old Management Committee and its now a Limited Company listed at Companies House. A lot who criticise him haven't the balls to take on the role nor the responsibility. He deserves resect for that, however much you may agree or disagree with his ability in doing the role. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, HGould said: May be you should read his very extensive interview. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a fan of his but it's a pretty detailed explanation on a number of topics and very interesting. He is lets not forget now a Director of BSPL. As are others at the top table. That's a far more responsible position than the old Management Committee and its now a Limited Company listed at Companies House. A lot who criticise him haven't the balls to take on the role nor the responsibility. He deserves resect for that, however much you may agree or disagree with his ability in doing the role. I can only go by his track record and not by his words, words are cheap. His track record is appalling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 minute ago, iainb said: I can only go by his track record and not by his words, words are cheap. His track record is appalling What specifically are you pointing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 43 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Don't think anyone else wants the job ...should have given it to John Berry all those years ago! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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