mikebv Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, g13webb said: That's were we will have to differ. Calling a meeting off days in advance has no accreditation, one that says you don't want the meeting to run. If we are going to cancel every meeting when there is a chance of rain than we would be in trouble come the end of the season. I have no problems with meetings being cancelled, but lets do it properly and be responsible. Calling meetings off, because of the weather , days in advance is neither.., When the weather is the reason for the cancellation lets do it on the day in question when the cause is obvious, not on the pretence of what might be the case. Lets be professional in making them decisions and broadcasting them using all the available media. Its not hard to do things right......... EVERY spectator counts I would imagine (in particular this year), given the lack of TV money and the demise of crowds over the past few years or so... Simply even what may be called 'regulars' will often give it a miss if there is even the slightest chance of a meeting being called off/effected in quality, therefore saving expenditure has become something that needs doing, literally, 'at all cost'... Not ideal I 100% agree, but this is where British Speedway has now placed itself through the operating and business model it has chosen to run with over the past 20 years or so... Edited April 5, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, mikebv said: EVERY spectator counts I would imagine (in particular this year), given the lack of TV money and the demise of crowds over the past few years or so... Simply even what may be called 'regulars' will often give it a miss if there is even the slightest chance of a meeting being called off/effected in quality, therefore saving expenditure has become something that needs doing, literally, 'at all cost'... Not ideal I 100% agree, but this is where British Speedway has now placed itself through the operating and business model it has chosen to run with over the past 20 years of so... Exactly. Speedway has changed, to a large extent it has itself to blame for the small crowds and its no longer a sport where riders can just battle through wet conditions to get a meeting on and people have continued on to that. Too many times we have stood around watching the track being sorted after a downpour and then seem the riders either go through the motions or refuse to ride, meetings trying to be run in those conditions don't do anybody any good whatsoever. I believe it's treating today's speedway customer best by giving them as much notice as possible that a meeting won't be on, and as screamer says the riders will appreciate it too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, mikebv said: EVERY spectator counts I would imagine (in particular this year), given the lack of TV money and the demise of crowds over the past few years or so... Simply even what may be called 'regulars' will often give it a miss if there is even the slightest chance of a meeting being called off/effected in quality, therefore saving expenditure has become something that needs doing, literally, 'at all cost'... Not ideal I 100% agree, but this is where British Speedway has now placed itself through the operating and business model it has chosen to run with over the past 20 years of so... Had it been on last night I’m one that definitely wouldn’t have turned up - the weather has to be 100% for me not being mugged again by speedway promotions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, g13webb said: That's were we will have to differ. Calling a meeting off days in advance has no accreditation, one that says you don't want the meeting to run. If we are going to cancel every meeting when there is a chance of rain than we would be in trouble come the end of the season. I have no problems with meetings being cancelled, but lets do it properly and be responsible. Calling meetings off, because of the weather , days in advance is neither.., When the weather is the reason for the cancellation lets do it on the day in question when the cause is obvious, not on the pretence of what might be the case. Lets be professional in making them decisions and broadcasting them using all the available media. Its not hard to do things right......... I don't think it was postponed just because there was a chance of rain,it probably had more to do with the amount of rain we had in the week leading up to the match. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, tellboy said: I don't think it was postponed just because there was a chance of rain,it probably had more to do with the amount of rain we had in the week leading up to the match. This is exactly right and is the point many have been missing when commenting on the early call offs all around the country. The weather on the day is almost irrelevant to decision with so much damage done in last few weeks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 hours ago, g13webb said: That's were we will have to differ. Calling a meeting off days in advance has no accreditation, one that says you don't want the meeting to run. If we are going to cancel every meeting when there is a chance of rain than we would be in trouble come the end of the season. I have no problems with meetings being cancelled, but lets do it properly and be responsible. Calling meetings off, because of the weather , days in advance is neither.., When the weather is the reason for the cancellation lets do it on the day in question when the cause is obvious, not on the pretence of what might be the case. Lets be professional in making them decisions and broadcasting them using all the available media. Its not hard to do things right......... So you are quite happy for the promotion to pay out for airfares for both teams when given the appalling weather for the last few weeks all right minded people realise there is no hope of a decent meeting being staged. Remember this isn't any run of the mill meeting, this was the first of the season where they hopefully would pull in a few newbies and therefore want to put on a good show. Not only that it was also the meting when quite a few regular fans were going to judge the quality of the 2018 season and the way meetings would be run. Bridges had to be rebuilt with those fans and a late call off or prolonged display of tractor driving skills would simply alienate many of them, possibly forever. As I said, I'm no fan of early call offs, but given ALL the circumstances in this particular case, the right decision was made, both as regards fans and as a business. Later in the season and given better overall weather, I agree call offs should not be made until the day of the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't :@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trees said: Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't :@ Don’t you criticise the club or even say they did the right thing -none critical reply won’t want to upset the club I guess . Edited April 5, 2018 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Haza said: Don’t you criticise the club or even say they did the right thing -none critical reply won’t want to upset the club I guess . Just saying it how it is with the fans, there's always divided opinion. I would rather have a meeting called off if there's a bad forecast myself, even if there's showers around because there will always be fans put off and clubs can't afford to run without maximum amount of fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Star Lady said: So you are quite happy for the promotion to pay out for airfares for both teams when given the appalling weather for the last few weeks all right minded people realise there is no hope of a decent meeting being staged. Remember this isn't any run of the mill meeting, this was the first of the season where they hopefully would pull in a few newbies and therefore want to put on a good show. Not only that it was also the meting when quite a few regular fans were going to judge the quality of the 2018 season and the way meetings would be run. Bridges had to be rebuilt with those fans and a late call off or prolonged display of tractor driving skills would simply alienate many of them, possibly forever. As I said, I'm no fan of early call offs, but given ALL the circumstances in this particular case, the right decision was made, both as regards fans and as a business. Later in the season and given better overall weather, I agree call offs should not be made until the day of the meeting. Airfares paid ha ha !, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, DWP said: Airfares paid ha ha !, I've always assumed that the promoter paid them in some form or other in the same way as they pay mileage or at least overseas riders points money is proportionately higher than UK riders. You'll be telling me next they don't pay mileage either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Star Lady said: So you are quite happy for the promotion to pay out for airfares for both teams when given the appalling weather for the last few weeks all right minded people realise there is no hope of a decent meeting being staged. Remember this isn't any run of the mill meeting, this was the first of the season where they hopefully would pull in a few newbies and therefore want to put on a good show. Not only that it was also the meting when quite a few regular fans were going to judge the quality of the 2018 season and the way meetings would be run. Bridges had to be rebuilt with those fans and a late call off or prolonged display of tractor driving skills would simply alienate many of them, possibly forever. As I said, I'm no fan of early call offs, but given ALL the circumstances in this particular case, the right decision was made, both as regards fans and as a business. Later in the season and given better overall weather, I agree call offs should not be made until the day of the meeting. Seems to me you are agreeing with me one minute , and disagreeing the next. It appears you want your cake and eat it. All I have said is I disagree with early call off.. I personally think every wet meeting should be cancelled, they're such a waste of time. But in this country you can never guarantee the weather, even in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, g13webb said: Seems to me you are agreeing with me one minute , and disagreeing the next. It appears you want your cake and eat it. All I have said is I disagree with early call off.. I personally think every wet meeting should be cancelled, they're such a waste of time. But in this country you can never guarantee the weather, even in the summer. And all I've said is that in general I do agree with you but in this particular set of circumstances, which I explained, I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Star Lady said: I've always assumed that the promoter paid them in some form or other in the same way as they pay mileage or at least overseas riders points money is proportionately higher than UK riders. You'll be telling me next they don't pay mileage either Yes they do but it’s pitiful the amount paid. Next time you see me, I will let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 14 hours ago, DWP said: Airfares paid ha ha !, Why should they pay air fares I’ve been working for 38 years and I’ve had to find all my travel money out of my pocket they choose to work in different places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 23 hours ago, 5 FURROW said: Why should they pay air fares I’ve been working for 38 years and I’ve had to find all my travel money out of my pocket they choose to work in different places And promoters choose to hire them knowing they will need to compensate them in some way for the travel costs? If someone wanted me to work for them a nighr a week in a different country id expect my travel costs to be covered, either directly or via the wages i received. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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