Daniel Smith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Trees said: It penalises the short riders so it's an unfair rule imo, 2 min count down clocks would be better..... They'll jist have to wear platform boots, sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Well that's the rule isn't it?? The simplest and easiest thing to do have done would be to ensure ALL tracks have a 2 minute clock by the start line so the ref, riders and fans know how long is left. Riders can do what they like till then. That would have been a very simple rule to enforce. And it a stupid rule, isnt it as it does nothing towards solving the problem which is a 2-3 hour long 15 heats of speedway. The thing that it does is put Zagar and Dwarfar on an un-equal position when it comes to gating. We had a clock in Finland last season, it would have cost about 1400€ new. The ref wrote in his report that it did bring somesort of peace or similar to the proceedings and heats were on their way about 15 secs earlier. Thats about 3 mins off if you think about the problem that is the roughly 150 mins of a 15 heat meeting. If the ref would just put the clock on, exclude if necessary for going over the limit everything would be sorted in weeks. Would have been years ago. Refs are the problem, not riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Rosco in his post meeting interview on You-tube reckons a 2-minute clock would cost around £1300 - 'insignificant in the overall scheme of things'!! More absolute nonsense. Where do some of these people get these ridiculous figures from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: It's essentially the same rule, just enforcing the staying on the bikes to do so. I think some refs are lenient when there isn't a clock on centre green. Correct, so does absolutely nothing. What does it matter what a rider does as long as he is ready to race within 2 mins. If they want to garden, get to the start line quicker. Now it will take them longer to do the gardening so it will be counter productive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 At King's Lynn last season they had the 2mins countdown on the scoreboard but more often than not the clock would get removed with about 10 seconds remaining, even with rider/s still in the pits. No idea if this is at the referees request or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 41 minutes ago, Najjer said: More absolute nonsense. Where do some of these people get these ridiculous figures from? Things cost. Best (highest) offer I had when I did some research years ago was over 2k€. The one at Hyvinkää last year was wireless with 4 digits and the height of one was about 15cm. It was way too pro for that use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 52 minutes ago, f-s-p said: And it a stupid rule, isnt it as it does nothing towards solving the problem which is a 2-3 hour long 15 heats of speedway. The thing that it does is put Zagar and Dwarfar on an un-equal position when it comes to gating. We had a clock in Finland last season, it would have cost about 1400€ new. The ref wrote in his report that it did bring somesort of peace or similar to the proceedings and heats were on their way about 15 secs earlier. Thats about 3 mins off if you think about the problem that is the roughly 150 mins of a 15 heat meeting. If the ref would just put the clock on, exclude if necessary for going over the limit everything would be sorted in weeks. Would have been years ago. Refs are the problem, not riders. Refs are the problem for being too lenient, riders take equal guilt for ignoring the orders of the start Marshall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 A 2 min clock seems an obvious answer,surely most Clubs could get a Sponser for that.What does it matter what the riders do at the starting gate as long as they are ready to race before the clock counts down.Seems to work well at GP's.Another complication invented by BSPA.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Refs are the problem for being too lenient, riders take equal guilt for ignoring the orders of the start Marshall. If a rider keeps gardening just before two minutes is up, its a choice to ignore the start marshall. So he’s earned an exclusion. Very simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, f-s-p said: Things cost. Best (highest) offer I had when I did some research years ago was over 2k€. The one at Hyvinkää last year was wireless with 4 digits and the height of one was about 15cm. It was way too pro for that use. Sorry - I can't make any sense of the last sentence? Just looking on amazon very quickly earlier, I found some for between $200 and $500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Fromafar said: A 2 min clock seems an obvious answer,surely most Clubs could get a Sponser for that.What does it matter what the riders do at the starting gate as long as they are ready to race before the clock counts down.Seems to work well at GP's.Another complication invented by BSPA.!!! Just about to post the same, surely it's a good place to whack a bit of sponsorship on considering fans (and tv) will look at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 You could actually make one for very little. Just have a digital output screen (the only cost involved) big enough for the numbers to count down on, and write a simple program on a computer that is displayed on the screen. Simple as that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Najjer said: Sorry - I can't make any sense of the last sentence? Just looking on amazon very quickly earlier, I found some for between $200 and $500. Too good, too pro(fessional). EDIT: Like you say, it can be done cheaper and would still fit the bill. Edited March 20, 2018 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 If you want to speed up the meetings by cutting the "gardening" time, you should sent the riders out with shovels and rakes. Then the start tart could hold the bike while the Groove is finished. Would actually save A LOT OF TIME!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 You'd need a pneumatic drill to generate some dirt on the start line at rye house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, cityrebel said: You'd need a pneumatic drill to generate some dirt on the start line at rye house! Well... why not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 20 March 2018 at 1:16 PM, f-s-p said: And it a stupid rule, isnt it as it does nothing towards solving the problem which is a 2-3 hour long 15 heats of speedway. The thing that it does is put Zagar and Dwarfar on an un-equal position when it comes to gating. We had a clock in Finland last season, it would have cost about 1400€ new. The ref wrote in his report that it did bring somesort of peace or similar to the proceedings and heats were on their way about 15 secs earlier. Thats about 3 mins off if you think about the problem that is the roughly 150 mins of a 15 heat meeting. If the ref would just put the clock on, exclude if necessary for going over the limit everything would be sorted in weeks. Would have been years ago. Refs are the problem, not riders. Why not just use the 2 minute flashing light at the starting gate. It will cancel after 2 minutes and if the rider ignores the start marshal they are excluded. All teams will have this function already in place so won't cost the clubs anything. A point Tai made regarding Zagar at his talk in was interesting. There is no minimum rider/bike limit so someone like Zagar will probably be 10-15 kg heavier than someone like Rohan. Therefore there is no rule to help Zagar so why do people want the rule changed to help shorter riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 hours ago, sparks123 said: Why not just use the 2 minute flashing light at the starting gate. It will cancel after 2 minutes and if the rider ignores the start marshal they are excluded. All teams will have this function already in place so won't cost the clubs anything. A point Tai made regarding Zagar at his talk in was interesting. There is no minimum rider/bike limit so someone like Zagar will probably be 10-15 kg heavier than someone like Rohan. Therefore there is no rule to help Zagar so why do people want the rule changed to help shorter riders? The point here is that the new rule is unnecessary. It was introduced as a remedy to try to reduce delays at the starring gate but as many have said, you can achieve the same end result by using a time clock, the best option, or by the referee simply enforcing the 2 minutes allowed. So why discriminate against the shorter riders when there are options that show you don't need to do so. We had a rule which was generally in common with other Speedway nations and now we have changed it and are unnecessarily out of line with everybody else. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Aces51 said: The point here is that the new rule is unnecessary. It was introduced as a remedy to try to reduce delays at the starring gate but as many have said, you can achieve the same end result by using a time clock, the best option, or by the referee simply enforcing the 2 minutes allowed. So why discriminate against the shorter riders when there are options that show you don't need to do so. We had a rule which was generally in common with other Speedway nations and now we have changed it and are unnecessarily out of line with everybody else. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Are there any riders in the top tier shorter than Tungate & Bewley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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