stevebrum Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Grachan said: You have 2 minutes. You have 2 minutes. Not 2 minutes to garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, stevebrum said: Not 2 minutes to garden. You have two minutes to do what you like, as long as you remain stride your motorcycle and facing the direction of racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: Not 2 minutes to garden. They can do what they want in those 2 minutes, surely? Otherwise why have it? I don't see why it is ok for one rider to go and have a wee, sit around in the pits, then come out onto the track with seconds to spare, but it's not ok for a rider to come out in plenty of time and do a bit of pre-racing ritual before the two minutes expire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 46 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: That might be ok but with continual grading it would not be long before the concrete slab ends up one or half an inch above the shale and what then happens to the bike when it hits it at 60 mph and takes off. A slab would also damage any blade used to reshape the track. That's what I was thinking. On most tracks the riders are still slightly sideways over the start finish line.Cant see that working at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Grachan said: They can do what they want in those 2 minutes, surely? Otherwise why have it? I don't see why it is ok for one rider to go and have a wee, sit around in the pits, then come out onto the track with seconds to spare, but it's not ok for a rider to come out in plenty of time and do a bit of pre-racing ritual before the two minutes expire. Some riders do more gardening than others. I've seen certain riders arrive at the tapes with little time to spare suddenly want to dig as well and the start Marshall have to signal them to hurry up. As previously stated clocks need to be on all centre greens so there can be no extra time allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Sure I'd read that riders could do what they wanted under the green light as long as they don't touch the tapes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Some riders do more gardening than others. I've seen certain riders arrive at the tapes with little time to spare suddenly want to dig as well and the start Marshall have to signal them to hurry up. As previously stated clocks need to be on all centre greens so there can be no extra time allowed. Exclude them under the 2 minutes then, if it's expired. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Some riders do more gardening than others. I've seen certain riders arrive at the tapes with little time to spare suddenly want to dig as well and the start Marshall have to signal them to hurry up. As previously stated clocks need to be on all centre greens so there can be no extra time allowed. Start marshals need to be tougher and so do the refs too. However I'm not sure why riders can't 'garden' stood up, on the bike, doing hand stands or whatever they like as long as they are in contact with the bike and within the 2 minutes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, Najjer said: Start marshals need to be tougher and so do the refs too. However I'm not sure why riders can't 'garden' stood up, on the bike, doing hand stands or whatever they like as long as they are in contact with the bike and within the 2 minutes. Well you had better ring the BSPA then, and make your complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Sure I'd read that riders could do what they wanted under the green light as long as they don't touch the tapes?? Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I Said on Twitter straight after heat 15 how can we have an unsatisfactory start when I'm.sureni read that you can only stop a race for a tape Infringment out the start. Edited March 20, 2018 by Phil The Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: I Said on Twitter straight after heat 15 how can we have an unsatisfactory start when I'm.sureni read that you can only stop a race for a tape Infringment out the start. That's how I read it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Its seems the original talk of rollers being allowed isnt so. The only change appears to be tape touching exclusion now for any part of rider or bike touching tapes rather than just the bike..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Its seems the original talk of rollers being allowed isnt so. The only change appears to be tape touching exclusion now for any part of rider or bike touching tapes rather than just the bike..... I had Sarj to up his 2.5 ave to 4.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Bald Bloke said: I had Sarj to up his 2.5 ave to 4.5 To be fair he is good for that without the rollers if he gets his head down IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: I Said on Twitter straight after heat 15 how can we have an unsatisfactory start when I'm.sureni read that you can only stop a race for a tape Infringment out the start. Apart from now being excluded if any part of the rider, bike, or equipment touches the tapes, the rule hasn't changed at all this year, and of course we can still have unsatisfactory starts. They're just tightening up on the existing starting rule. i.e. The Start Marshal must make sure the riders are correctly positioned at the tapes, (not back from the tapes with rolling room). The referee must not release the tapes unless all 4 riders are stationary. And if anything touches the tapes, the rider is excluded. (In the past the referees would sometimes release the tapes with a rider moving, and then call them back. Now they won't release the tape until all are stationary). The thinking is, that if the riders are correctly positioned, stationary when the tapes are released, and don't touch the tapes, then it is a fair start, even if someone anticipates and gets a flyer). There may still be cases where someone IS moving before the tapes go up, (referees are human without perfect reflexes) but these cases should now be few and far between. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said: Apart from now being excluded if any part of the rider, bike, or equipment touches the tapes, the rule hasn't changed at all this year, and of course we can still have unsatisfactory starts. They're just tightening up on the existing starting rule. i So the rule HAS changed this season. All riders MUST, be astride there bikes, no rider is to get off the bike and Garden. Last year a rider could get off his bike providing they still had contact with the bike, naturally, otherwise you would have riderless speedway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: So the rule HAS changed this season. All riders MUST, be astride there bikes, no rider is to get off the bike and Garden. Last year a rider could get off his bike providing they still had contact with the bike, naturally, otherwise you would have riderless speedway.. This rule does actually disadvantage very short riders. Lasse Bjerre is one, plus MPT, Rohan Tungate. These guys simply don't have long enough legs to dig up, or pack down dirt without dismounting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: So the rule HAS changed this season. All riders MUST, be astride there bikes, no rider is to get off the bike and Garden. Last year a rider could get off his bike providing they still had contact with the bike, naturally, otherwise you would have riderless speedway.. You do realise there are lots of rules in the rulebook, not just one don't you? Yes, the rule about gardening has changed. The rule about eligibility for heat 15 has also changed...and many others. BUT what we're talking about is the rule on unsatisfactory starts. Some people wrongly think that there has been a change and unsatisfactory starts can't happen anymore. Actually the rule hasn't changed apart from the fact that any part of a rider, bike or equipment touching the tapes is now a disqualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, crescent girl said: This rule does actually disadvantage very short riders. Lasse Bjerre is one, plus MPT, Rohan Tungate. These guys simply don't have long enough legs to dig up, or pack down dirt without dismounting! Yep that joke has already done the rounds. Seriously, it true, it does disavantage them. They will just have to tilt the bike to the left and the right, not easy i might add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.