A ORLOV Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, tellboy said: I think that's what i said.They are not allowed to leave the circuit.But i have seen them leave the circuit if a crash has happened. They are allowed to leave the track if there has been a crash to fix anything on the bike or get second one, and the race has been stopped, but not for a tape infringment and restart. 39 minutes ago, mike1944 said: I think the speedway promotors believe that returning to the pits at every available oppotunity is part of the exciting evening's entertainment. Speed up proceedings too much and it could result in the meeting being over in 45 minutes tops or maybe even, faster making it appear poor value for the £15 or so admission charge It might be ok on a warm summer evening at the weekend or when people are not cold or wanting to get home, but with interval, grading every four races a meeting should take about 90 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, mike1944 said: I think the speedway promotors believe that returning to the pits at every available oppotunity is part of the exciting evening's entertainment. Speed up proceedings too much and it could result in the meeting being over in 45 minutes tops or maybe even, faster making it appear poor value for the £15 or so admission charge Easy answer to that, - bring back Second Halves. I'm sure there's many youngsters that would jump at the chance for on-track time, even though no pts money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike1944 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Yes I remember the second halves at Norwich in the early 60s, many a youngster rode in them and soon became reserves for the team or even full time riders. The racing was usually quite entertaining although speeds were slower. In those days the team did not change every week, with riders having commitments all over the place like they did now. A shame Norwich was closed down just to be replaced by yet another 1960's housing estate. Edited March 17, 2018 by mike1944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) On 15/03/2018 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Smith said: They have tak3n note about speeding meetings up. The regulations are now 4mins instead of 5 from the crossing the finish line to the start of the next, inclusive of the 2mins. It should be a noticable difference, especially at King's Lynn anyway They couldn’t hit the 5 minutes when that was in the rule book. Why will making it 4 minutes make it more likely to be hit? Meetings used to take over 2 hours, that’s about 8-9 minutes a heat. At 4 minutes between heats the rules states that meetings should be over in 72 minutes, or 1 hour and 12 minutes. Yeah right! Edited March 18, 2018 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 hours ago, SCB said: They couldn’t hit the 5 minutes when that was in the rule book. Why will making it 4 minutes make it more likely to be hit? Meetings used to take over 2 hours, that’s about 8-9 minutes a heat. At 4 minutes between heats the rules states that meetings should be over in 72 minutes, or 1 hour and 12 minutes. Yeah right! The vast majority of meetings at Foxhall have been completed in around 90 minutes (ignoring any interval) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Good to note that each of the 2 reserves can be at either 6 or 7 this year, rather than the lowest average fixed at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 2018 amendments: Can the tractor driver be excluded/ disqualified if he/she exceeds the 4 minute time limit? With set race nights & careful fixture planning - baring injuries we should have no need for guest or rider replacement facility or have I been mislead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Ghosty said: 2018 amendments: Can the tractor driver be excluded/ disqualified if he/she exceeds the 4 minute time limit? With set race nights & careful fixture planning - baring injuries we should have no need for guest or rider replacement facility or have I been mislead? If you're a speedway supporter you have been mislead, and will be for evermore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ghosty said: 2018 amendments: Can the tractor driver be excluded/ disqualified if he/she exceeds the 4 minute time limit? With set race nights & careful fixture planning - baring injuries we should have no need for guest or rider replacement facility or have I been mislead? I'm assuming it's still a guest for no.1 and then rider replacement for everybody else except the reserves. The only time a guest is then used is 2 or more riders are injured. That's what I would assume, but I haven't actually read the rule book so it's probably the complete opposite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Najjer said: I'm assuming it's still a guest for no.1 and then rider replacement for everybody else except the reserves. The only time a guest is then used is 2 or more riders are injured. That's what I would assume, but I haven't actually read the rule book so it's probably the complete opposite! Art 18.8.A - Guest or RR for 1-3 by MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Najjer said: I'm assuming it's still a guest for no.1 and then rider replacement for everybody else except the reserves. The only time a guest is then used is 2 or more riders are injured. That's what I would assume, but I haven't actually read the rule book so it's probably the complete opposite! I read it as guest or r/r allowed for top 3 (heat leaders) and r/r only for riders 4-5 (second string) unless both are missing in which case 1 guest and 1 r/r. Reserves are guest only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Would it have been too much trouble for the BSPA to have posted a list of the amended rules, or where this years rule differ from last year. It would save on all the confusion and bring everybody up to date. After all, we are fans of the same sport and batting on the same pitch...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, g13webb said: Would it have been too much trouble for the BSPA to have posted a list of the amended rules, or where this years rule differ from last year. It would save on all the confusion and bring everybody up to date. After all, we are fans of the same sport and batting on the same pitch...... They have on the website today posted a summary of main changes The full regs can be downloaded from the SCB link as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Art 18.8.A - Guest or RR for 1-3 by MA So another year and another year of guests galore.... give me strength! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, g13webb said: Would it have been too much trouble for the BSPA to have posted a list of the amended rules, or where this years rule differ from last year. It would save on all the confusion and bring everybody up to date. After all, we are fans of the same sport and batting on the same pitch...... I think the rules are posted by the SCB to the BSPA site & any changes are normally in bold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: I think the rules are posted by the SCB to the BSPA site & any changes are normally in bold. True, any changes to the rules are highlighted in bold print. example shown below 15.2.6 Only if a rider is at the Starting Gate with sufficient time remaining of the 2-minute allowance, be permitted to prepare their Start area, provided they remain in full, personal control of their motorcycle, have the Cut-Out Lanyard attached, and remain astride their motorcycle facing the direction of racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: They have on the website today posted a summary of main changes The full regs can be downloaded from the SCB link as well Thank you for that, I wasn't aware they had posted a summary. I was aware of the full Regs were available from SCB, and that the changes were in bold , but that was the point of my post having to troll through pages and pages of regs just to see the few changes that had been made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, DunRobin said: True, any changes to the rules are highlighted in bold print. example shown below 15.2.6 Only if a rider is at the Starting Gate with sufficient time remaining of the 2-minute allowance, be permitted to prepare their Start area, provided they remain in full, personal control of their motorcycle, have the Cut-Out Lanyard attached, and remain astride their motorcycle facing the direction of racing Looks likeva few 15m handicaps being dished out at Belle Vue tonight for this. Not sure what it's supposed to achieve really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRacer Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Grachan said: Looks likeva few 15m handicaps being dished out at Belle Vue tonight for this. Not sure what it's supposed to achieve really. The first one getting busted (Fricke) was careless, but after that it is just unprofessional to fall foul of this. You've already seen your teammate get excluded for the exact same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 We moan at the BSPA for not being professional but the riders really should read the rule book. The fans know the new rules why dont the riders. Almost as if they don't care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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