stevebrum Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 9:02 PM, Star Lady said: We moan at the BSPA for not being professional but the riders really should read the rule book. The fans know the new rules why dont the riders. Almost as if they don't care. Expand Plus that's down to the team managers to pass on to. Both were dreadful on the new ruling tonight and no lessons learned throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 I expect a lot of the trouble tonight was habit, one would like to think that after a few meetings and exclusions riders will learn to poverty the new rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 The riders had been told of the new rule but as Fricke said "old habits die hard". Overall, there was much less gardening so maybe the new rule has achieved it's purpose although we probably need the evidence of more than one meeting before making a judgement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I just don't see what the purpose of this rule is. If riders are at the tapes and ready to race by the end of the 2 minutes, what is the issue? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 9:02 PM, Star Lady said: We moan at the BSPA for not being professional but the riders really should read the rule book. The fans know the new rules why dont the riders. Almost as if they don't care. Expand Think you are passing the buck here, A good Team Manager would have been on the ball ensuring his team were aware of any new rule changes... I for one don't expect the riders to know all the rules, but a Team Manager should. As for the necessity of the new gardening rule is beyond me. What's the point of it and what does it prove?? Small riders like KB are at a big disadvantage...... would have thought there was far more issues to be sorted than whether the leg is across the bike when getting ready to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I really cannot understand why anyone can not blame the riders for not knowing the rules. Imagine the uproar if a footballer didn't know the offside rule or a rugby player was ignorant of the high tackle rule. They are supposedly professionals. People in any walk of life should know the rules of their employment. Yes the team manager should make sure the riders know the rules. From tweets last night, the riders were told by their respective managers, which proved exactly how much notice they take of them As for the need for such a rule, that's beside the point. I assume they thought it would speed up meetings, which it won't. Anyway if we have to blame someone for the rule the blame lies purely at the feet (or should that be the shovel) of one Tai Woffinden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 7:44 AM, Star Lady said: I really cannot understand why anyone can not blame the riders for not knowing the rules. Imagine the uproar if a footballer didn't know the offside rule or a rugby player was ignorant of the high tackle rule. They are supposedly professionals. People in any walk of life should know the rules of their employment. Yes the team manager should make sure the riders know the rules. From tweets last night, the riders were told by their respective managers, which proved exactly how much notice they take of them As for the need for such a rule, that's beside the point. I assume they thought it would speed up meetings, which it won't. Anyway if we have to blame someone for the rule the blame lies purely at the feet (or should that be the shovel) of one Tai Woffinden Expand So I understand Fricke was interviewed afterwards. All riders pre the meeting were told of new rule by their team managers. He forgot when at tapes as everywhere else you can get off bike to garden. Old habits he said. Stupid rule anyway. 2minute digital clock at start. Every league / country the same. But I can guess promoters reaction to clock. “But we can’t afford one “ FfS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 7:44 AM, Star Lady said: I really cannot understand why anyone can not blame the riders for not knowing the rules. Imagine the uproar if a footballer didn't know the offside rule or a rugby player was ignorant of the high tackle rule. They are supposedly professionals. People in any walk of life should know the rules of their employment. Yes the team manager should make sure the riders know the rules. From tweets last night, the riders were told by their respective managers, which proved exactly how much notice they take of them As for the need for such a rule, that's beside the point. I assume they thought it would speed up meetings, which it won't. Anyway if we have to blame someone for the rule the blame lies purely at the feet (or should that be the shovel) of one Tai Woffinden Expand Yes the riders would know the rules,but i think you have to give them a bit of slack at the start of the season.By all means get excluded and they will remember not to get off their bike after a few exclusions i'm sure.As regards footballers/rugby players they know the rules but they still try to get away with it. And at work again if you have done something for a while and they change it not everyone will do it right first time don't you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Same as when the rule was brought into football that keepers couldnt pick up from a back pass. Few forgot in the first few weeks and it soon stopped and this will be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Seem the referee's need time as well as heat 15 last night was called back for an unsatisfactory start yet nobody touched the tapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 10:50 AM, Daniel Smith said: Seem the referee's need time as well as heat 15 last night was called back for an unsatisfactory start yet nobody touched the tapes Expand Touching the tapes is an exclusion. Not remaining stationary is results in an unsatisfactory start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 10:58 AM, MattK said: Touching the tapes is an exclusion. Not remaining stationary is results in an unsatisfactory start. Expand Wasn't the idea that a race would continue if nobody touched the tapes as a way of keeping down the number of stoppages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) On 3/20/2018 at 11:06 AM, Grachan said: Wasn't the idea that a race would continue if nobody touched the tapes as a way of keeping down the number of stoppages? Expand That would be a good idea then disqualify the rider and reallocate his points after the race. Edited March 20, 2018 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 In my view, the simple answer to gardening is to revert to concrete starting areas. I know it is an old fashioned method but it worked. There was never any gardening with a concrete starting area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) On 3/20/2018 at 11:29 AM, Chris116 said: In my view, the simple answer to gardening is to revert to concrete starting areas. I know it is an old fashioned method but it worked. There was never any gardening with a concrete starting area. Expand Yep yr right, it is old fashioned. I never recalled any gardening in the early 70's and 80's, so why now ? Edited March 20, 2018 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 11:29 AM, Chris116 said: In my view, the simple answer to gardening is to revert to concrete starting areas. I know it is an old fashioned method but it worked. There was never any gardening with a concrete starting area. Expand That might be ok but with continual grading it would not be long before the concrete slab ends up one or half an inch above the shale and what then happens to the bike when it hits it at 60 mph and takes off. A slab would also damage any blade used to reshape the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 11:29 AM, Chris116 said: In my view, the simple answer to gardening is to revert to concrete starting areas. I know it is an old fashioned method but it worked. There was never any gardening with a concrete starting area. Expand What is wrong with gardening? I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 6:15 AM, Grachan said: I just don't see what the purpose of this rule is. If riders are at the tapes and ready to race by the end of the 2 minutes, what is the issue? Expand If they are still gardening they aren't ready to race, simples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 7:44 AM, Star Lady said: I really cannot understand why anyone can not blame the riders for not knowing the rules. Imagine the uproar if a footballer didn't know the offside rule or a rugby player was ignorant of the high tackle rule. They are supposedly professionals. People in any walk of life should know the rules of their employment. Yes the team manager should make sure the riders know the rules. From tweets last night, the riders were told by their respective managers, which proved exactly how much notice they take of them As for the need for such a rule, that's beside the point. I assume they thought it would speed up meetings, which it won't. Anyway if we have to blame someone for the rule the blame lies purely at the feet (or should that be the shovel) of one Tai Woffinden Expand If we lived in a perfect world and riders were robots I'd agree but like every other professional sport which has rule changes there will be teething problems like it or not. As for why we don't have centre green clocks as people have suggested I think we all know it's to try and achieve the same result on the cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 12:02 PM, stevebrum said: If they are still gardening they aren't ready to race, simples. Expand You have 2 minutes. You have 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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