Bagpuss Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Lots of smileys usually means a post isn't to be taken seriously so I'm going to do just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Najjer said: I think you're asking why are Somerset having race bibs like Poole? If so, I can't answer that as it well and truly baffles me. Somerset has always been a professionally run club and I see this move as a complete oversight, missed opportunity and just simply unprofessional. We've got the World Champion turning up at the Oak Tree Arena racing in a mix and match. Imagine the selling point to sponsors that the sports world champion could carry your logo under the Somerset Speedway umbrella on all marketing, advertising, promotions, on BT sports, within the local community, social media and websites to name just a few. If you can't sell that you're in the wrong trade! And kinda baffles me the BSPA can't get the Prem League sponsored. "Your name included in league name description 'Whatever Pramiership League' with 14 riders + (potentially) 2 team managers + (potentially) 4 start girls wearing your logo, front and back on riders' suits / bibs, match programme, fence, centre and pit area advertising possibilities, with live TV coverage (approx) 20 times per season, also logos and name included in televised (potenial) Champs League meetings". Don't seem too bad a package to me... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWP Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 19 hours ago, Jonny the spud said: I paid £350 for a racesuit in an auction at the end of last season, the money didn't matter as it went to a rider to help towards this season. It was however pointed out that I paid more than the suit cost brand new. Anyone paying £1,000+ for a suit is either a fool or has convinced some other fool to pay for it. Hold in each hand a cheap printed suit and a suit made by Maliniak, KW, WK etc. with all logos individually sewn on. It becomes obvious then why their suits are at a premium price. As with all things in life you get what you pay for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, DWP said: Hold in each hand a cheap printed suit and a suit made by Maliniak, KW, WK etc. with all logos individually sewn on. It becomes obvious then why their suits are at a premium price. As with all things in life you get what you pay for. Like I've suggested before, offer up for example a Dstar racesuits and then if the individual rider wishes to upgrade their brand to a superior one they can pay the difference. Simples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Skidder1 said: If I was Swindon';s main sponsor I would be strongly objecting to the race suit zipper going right through the middle letter of my logo!! Surely it would be better to one side?! Maybe it was a 'pikey' designer that did it??! Thankfully you're not Edited March 16, 2018 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 22 hours ago, Najjer said: I don't think you understand how business and marketing works. Forget the cost, as that will be recouped and more. With a professional image the chance for investment is massive - therefore out weighing the cost! I've seen it posted elsewhere that Swindon have a main title sponsor on the front of their suit and then 9 other team sponsors elsewhere on the suit. I wonder how many of those 10 would of invested if they had been told they would the size of a 50 pence piece to fit on a race jacket? None I expect. With an amateurish image the marketing oppertunities and chance for investment is a lot less. You really think marketing is a problem for Poole and tbf Somerset? Yet Poole still state that it is down to finance and you have to believe it's the same with us at Somerset (probably due to the wage of a certain world no. 1). Will the fans and riders moan if either side wins the league... probably not. Did Elit Vetlanda fans last season moan about winning the league title but wearing race jackets... probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 16 hours ago, DWP said: Hold in each hand a cheap printed suit and a suit made by Maliniak, KW, WK etc. with all logos individually sewn on. It becomes obvious then why their suits are at a premium price. As with all things in life you get what you pay for. But is the actual suit any better nowadays? They do look better, but thats just an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, rebelwonderkid said: You really think marketing is a problem for Poole and tbf Somerset? Yet Poole still state that it is down to finance and you have to believe it's the same with us at Somerset (probably due to the wage of a certain world no. 1). Will the fans and riders moan if either side wins the league... probably not. Did Elit Vetlanda fans last season moan about winning the league title but wearing race jackets... probably not. Smederna won it wearing team suits! and Rospiggarna the year before. Edited March 17, 2018 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Smederna won it wearing team suits! and Rospiggarna the year before. 55 minutes ago, rebelwonderkid said: You really think marketing is a problem for Poole and tbf Somerset? Yet Poole still state that it is down to finance and you have to believe it's the same with us at Somerset (probably due to the wage of a certain world no. 1). Will the fans and riders moan if either side wins the league... probably not. Did Elit Vetlanda fans last season moan about winning the league title but wearing race jackets... probably not. I love it when someone tries to use evidence to prove a point and they just make something up And for the record, yes I do believe marketing is a problem for both Poole and Somerset. As I've previously said Swindon according to other posts have a main title sponsor and 9 other team sponsors on their suit. Poole and Somerset obviously don't, which shows a marketing issue in my eyes. To a certain extent it doesn't make any difference to me watching Speedway personally whether Riders are in team suits or race jacket when I'm watching, it won't effect me going or not obviously. That isn't the point I'm making. The point is it's a complete oversight and so short sighted to think it saves money by not having team suits, when if done properly it could actually be a chance for increased revenue. At least Somerset have a decent logo to represent the club whereas Poole have absolutely murdered theirs this year and is truly awful. Edited March 17, 2018 by Najjer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Interesting to see that 5 out of the 7 Swindon team have Dstar suits as well as at least Craig Cook for Belle Vue.... can't be that bad after all and all for a maximum of £700 each Edited March 17, 2018 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Najjer said: Interesting to see that 5 out of the 7 Swindon team have Dstar suits as well as at least Craig Cook for Belle Vue.... can't be that bad after all and all for a maximum of £700 each So is it the 5 that have the colours wrong or just the 2?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: So is it the 5 that have the colours wrong or just the 2?! Thats a good laugh every year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Najjer said: I love it when someone tries to use evidence to prove a point and they just make something up And for the record, yes I do believe marketing is a problem for both Poole and Somerset. As I've previously said Swindon according to other posts have a main title sponsor and 9 other team sponsors on their suit. Poole and Somerset obviously don't, which shows a marketing issue in my eyes. To a certain extent it doesn't make any difference to me watching Speedway personally whether Riders are in team suits or race jacket when I'm watching, it won't effect me going or not obviously. That isn't the point I'm making. The point is it's a complete oversight and so short sighted to think it saves money by not having team suits, when if done properly it could actually be a chance for increased revenue. At least Somerset have a decent logo to represent the club whereas Poole have absolutely murdered theirs this year and is truly awful. No just a mistake just as anyone can make but i'll own up if i'm wrong. Was watching matches on YouTube from 2017 and never realised until I just re looked and saw 2015. I've said before i'll own up if i'm wrong. I made a mistake but point still stands tbf it doesn't matter what the team wears if things go right on track. Sponsorship can only take you so far and I believe we are already getting sponsorship deals to help us with the Doyle deal. So added onto expenses for the track, meeting expenses etc we probably wouldn't recoup for race suits in all fairness. Swindon have always been good in terms of the marketing side of speedway tbf. I totally agree Poole have definitely done a Leeds with the badge but even that isn't as bad as KL attempt at a club anthem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 suits a year is about 7k £. Someone said Swindon had 7 team sponsors. Thats 1k a logo. Is it that cheap to advertise on British tv? I helped a friend with his suit for a Swedish club. Copypasted logos on it before it went to print. Top half of the suit was off limits as it was sold by the team. Not doing team suits for a British Premiership club is just stupid and lazy. Someone already said that not only was it possible for the suits to pay for themselves, they could have paid for a commercial manager as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, rebelwonderkid said: No just a mistake just as anyone can make but i'll own up if i'm wrong. Was watching matches on YouTube from 2017 and never realised until I just re looked and saw 2015. I've said before i'll own up if i'm wrong. I made a mistake but point still stands tbf it doesn't matter what the team wears if things go right on track. Sponsorship can only take you so far and I believe we are already getting sponsorship deals to help us with the Doyle deal. So added onto expenses for the track, meeting expenses etc we probably wouldn't recoup for race suits in all fairness. Swindon have always been good in terms of the marketing side of speedway tbf. I totally agree Poole have definitely done a Leeds with the badge but even that isn't as bad as KL attempt at a club anthem. You still don't get it though - regardless of sponsors helping to fund Doyle, extra track work or results on track, there is still additional revenue that is now being missed out on.... so yes, you WOULD recoup it and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Najjer said: You still don't get it though - regardless of sponsors helping to fund Doyle, extra track work or results on track, there is still additional revenue that is now being missed out on.... so yes, you WOULD recoup it and more! We have to get more marketing in but that's why ASGUK were signed on as commercial partners to improve our marketing side of things which they have done a little with Jewson and the air ambulance coming in but as you said elsewhere with the influx of business in the region we always more patners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Its the 70th anniversary and what do we have fkn crap race bibs like are we actually riding back in the 70's as well. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Well if the Aces v Robins Shield meeting goes ahead tomorrow good luck to any neutrals in identifying which team is which!! Almost identical race suits with some having the same sponsor - CFS - on both!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Well if the Aces v Robins Shield meeting goes ahead tomorrow good luck to any neutrals in identifying which team is which!! Almost identical race suits with some having the same sponsor - CFS - on both!! Hahaha - they are not identical at all! And much more professional than bibs! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 As I have stated before I am for team race suits.The only riders that should wear bibs are Chris and Jack Holder and Troy Batchelor due to their childish behaviour last season and beyond.Let them have race suits when they mature a little.lol. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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