Bald Bloke Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I'm not against lycra oversuits as long as they aren't like those awful things worn in the EL in 1998. I would imagine riders would go through them pretty quick, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) To clairify; those lycra suits of 1998 (l think) were like slightly baggy and a bit thicker material that are used for aerobics, dancercise, etc. The idea was to be worn over leathers but were too small and made leathers much too tight. The Wulfsport gear, used at various times by Coventry, King's Lynn (Knights), Oxford (Silver Machine) & Wolves was basically for Moto-X. I.e. a silk / nylon shirt - literally just a sweat shirt - and the Wulfsport pants / jeans were slightly reinforced nylon-like material. This stuff was less than ideal but ok-ish with body armour worn underneath , though I know at least rider who didn't (!), but didn't offer a huge amount of protection in the event of a sliding-off spill. 'Kevlars', that is the 'heavy reinforced' material with sewn-on logos is ok also when worn with body armour, but there is also the thinner material (not sure what it's called) with printed logos which looks not the unlike tracksuits used by football players & athletes to keep warm. Leathers offer the best protection of course but are both hot and heavy to wear, in comparison to the 'heavy' kevlar-type material.. Me ? It'd be leathers + body armour, bit hot 'n' heavy but feeling protected.... Edited March 14, 2018 by martinmauger spelling 2x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 13, 2018 Report Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Coventry ones, made by I think Troy Lee designs, actually looked pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Pinny said: The Coventry ones, made by I think Troy Lee designs, actually looked pretty good. I could be wrong on that one maybe Coventry never used Wulfsport stuff, genuinely thought they did, but they defo were used by 'Lynn Oxford (Silver Machine & also Cheetahs at one time) & Wolves. I meant the gear with Wulfsport & sometimes Speedway Star logos: separate shirts & pants, you'll know it when you see it, not the one piece suits with Buildbase, etc on them. Not a Bees fan but their suits have looked good in the past.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, martinmauger said: I'm 60-40 in favour of team suits, but quite a few didn't match anyway so maybe race bibs is the garment of choice long as the riders' own suits are in the team colours.... What would the rider do where he rode for two or more clubs? How many suits would he need to buy? Personally, I think that leather is a better material with regards to protection and that textile suits are only favoured by teams as they are a better advertising space. Edited March 14, 2018 by fubar spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 Personally i prefer team suits although feel there should be more freedom given to riders in the design namely this part is this particular blue, that part is black, the crest goes in the middle the rest is up to you. I also think clubs should only be looking at making a contribution towards the suits and its riders option where they are made & how much extra they choose to spend on them. As for the overshirts these are also a very good alternative. Let the rider design their own kevlars but state legs must be black. The design of the fitted tops now is excellent, riders could have 2 each provided by the club for around £100 per head, its quick to get replacements / new ones should riders be dropped/signed and riders would still have their own style kevlars for individual events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 If there is any sort of text or rules that all teams should have team suits, any team without one should be fined 5k a meeting if they don't have one. What a stupid debate to have this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 hours ago, martinmauger said: I could be wrong on that one maybe Coventry never used Wulfsport stuff, genuinely thought they did, but they defo were used by 'Lynn Oxford (Silver Machine & also Cheetahs at one time) & Wolves. I meant the gear with Wulfsport & sometimes Speedway Star logos: separate shirts & pants, you'll know it when you see it, not the one piece suits with Buildbase, etc on them. Not a Bees fan but their suits have looked good in the past.... They used Troy lee designs motocross style suits for a few years, definately. And they looked pretty good too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 Quick google search found these: http://mike-patrick.com/01/01Docs/0324.1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 I used to have a 1998 Oxford race suit in my collection. It was so light and flimsy, and not really suitable for a whole seasons racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Pinny said: Quick google search found these: http://mike-patrick.com/01/01Docs/0324.1.html To continue 'Coventry Wulfsport-gate', yeah those 'suits' are what I remember, p'raps not the Wulfsport brand as such, but Moto-X style seperate shirt & pants. Not ideal riding atire for speedway.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 I couldn't care less about the difference between race suits and team kevlars. Not going to make a blind bit of difference about what happens on track. Besides one of my favourite riders was Jason Bunyan who always turned up at the OTA with a racing top and bottoms. He looked awful, pyjamas we used to call them but it made us laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 Arguments both ways, yes team suits look smart and good but that individuality lost. Apart from all bikes(& to some extent styles) are very similar now (no odd handlebars), all riders look the same. Where would riders like Nigel Boocock with his Blueness manage now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 I don’t get why you wouldn’t want teams racing in the same colours, not is it professional, allows team backers to be seen. Swindon said tonight they’ve a main team sponsor who’s on the front but also 9 other sponsors who have space on the team suits....can’t wait for Man City players coming out in odd kits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uluru Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 As ever, team suits are great at the P&P. Then two weeks in, you lose a rider to injury. Replacement arrives, but no suit for him. Then you change a reserve - ditto. Then you re-declare, change two riders to benefit the chances of winning That leaves three team suits and four wearing tatty football jerseys, or old race-jackets from another season. Professional, oh yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted March 14, 2018 Report Share Posted March 14, 2018 Musielak has a suit for his first meeting. Only time we didn’t have team suits for riders is when we had guests. I really don’t see the issue. Even championship/NL sides have them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 I see (from Twitter) that Darcy is disappointed that Poole won't have team race suits this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 11 March 2018 at 5:37 PM, Booey boy said: It's not really a professional league is it with all the changes and it worked allright for 70 odd years so can't be that bad It should be presenting a professional image. Things working 'alright' 70, 60, 50 etc. years ago so not being changed is the exact reason Speedway is on its arse here now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 As Rosco said we don't want to look like pikeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Uluru said: As ever, team suits are great at the P&P. Then two weeks in, you lose a rider to injury. Replacement arrives, but no suit for him. Then you change a reserve - ditto. Then you re-declare, change two riders to benefit the chances of winning That leaves three team suits and four wearing tatty football jerseys, or old race-jackets from another season. Professional, oh yeah.... Just a classic case of Speedway being lazy and not efficient enough. Things nowadays can be turned around in a matter of days if they are efficient enough. Even having overshirts would be a damn sight lot better than a race jacket so at least the top half is all the same for the riders in the team and more importantly than anything, the sponsors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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