Mr Ore Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Alan_Jones said: It could also include guest bookings. It could but as Kim has stated he is owed money from 3 clubs over the two countries this would indicate a max of 2 in one country. (And that may be Sweden). I had incorrectly read the three different currencie as being what was owed in those countries, and not the equivelent values in each. My aim was to redress some of the ill informed insults Damian faced in last years play off final by drawing attention to his ongoing credibility and business acumen which should be respected. Having said that Duggo is also not one to renege on his liabilities Edited March 10, 2018 by Mr Ore spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 always makes me wonder why the captain signs knowing full well that him and/or others are owed money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted March 9, 2018 Report Share Posted March 9, 2018 There has been a history of riders not being paid whether in Sweden where all the promoters virtually went broke Poland is also well known for that .One English rider was owed money there and his father demanded he be paid and they drew a gun on him Poland is and still is littered with riders being owed money. So UK are not the only ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, stevehone said: always makes me wonder why the captain signs knowing full well that him and/or others are owed money Exactly. I personally think Nahlins stance is the correct one, if owed money for more than a week or two they should refuse to ride. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 In the case of the U.K., why not go to the small claims court and possibly apply for a winding up order against the company that owes the money. I would suspect that the contracts are not ‘employment’ contracts but more akin to a service contract. One future option might be for the rider to ask for a bank guarantee from the club for an amount equal to the maximum potential earnings from two meetings. The guarantee remains in force for the season. If they don’t get paid they make a simple claim. This would go some way to ensuring clubs which are afterall a business, are properly funded and have sufficient cash to meet the debts as and when due. If they cannot comply with the debt service they may be trading insolvently and the Directors are then liable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesR Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Exactly. I personally think Nahlins stance is the correct one, if owed money for more than a week or two they should refuse to ride. Totally agree. Back in the 70's you got paid by cheque at your next home meeting for the previous weeks meeting, and any away meetings that had paid the home promoter. If you did an away tour of say 3 tracks you didn't get paid for any of the meetings until all 3 away promoters had paid your home promoter, which could be 3 to 4 weeks wait. I was paid by cheque at a home meeting two thirds way through the season, paid cheque into bank on Monday, returned by bank on Thursday " Refer to Drawer ". Next home meeting took bounced cheque to home speedway office and was offered another cheque, this I refused and told promoter I wanted paying the bounced cheque, and the cheque they were going to give me for the previous week, before the meeting in cash or I didn't ride. Promoter said he didn't have enough cash, to which I reminded him that the gates opened to the paying public at 6.00pm. I also said I wanted paying after each home meeting for the rest of the season in cash for that nights work and any away meetings that had come in that week, as it was my living as well as his! If I didn't ride he could explain to the public why I wasn't riding, or if he wouldn't I would. Payment in cash arrived just before rider introductions in front of the grandstand and I was there ready to race. The payments after the meeting continued for the remainder of the season, problem solved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 I am sure it was the case at Belle Vue in the sixties (at least) that after the meeting the riders went to the office which was under and at the back of the grandstand and received there earnings. Its easy to calculate what someone has earned during a meeting, especially now with computers. Cash may not be the wisest now but money transfers are no problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: Exactly. I personally think Nahlins stance is the correct one, if owed money for more than a week or two they should refuse to ride. The problem Peter Nahlin had was, after not riding in the night in question, he was banned for 28 days by the BSPA for withholding his services. Which prevented him earning money for the rest of the season Edited March 10, 2018 by MARK246 Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, MARK246 said: The problem Peter Nahlin had was, after not riding in the night in question, he was banned for 28 days by the BSPA for withholding his services. Which prevented him earning money for the rest of the season A sanction that I suspect would not hold water legally if taken further by the rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MARK246 said: The problem Peter Nahlin had was, after not riding in the night in question, he was banned for 28 days by the BSPA for withholding his services. Which prevented him earning money for the rest of the season He did return to Britain with King's Lynn the following month (July) but that spell was ended by injury after just two matches. From memory, I think that was Peter's last stint in the UK. Edited March 10, 2018 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Blackadder said: A part of the Speedway Meeting Certificate states:- We being the TEAM CAPTAINS certify that all monies due to each member of the Team have been paid as per the Riders Agreement except as listed below. And if the captain refuses to sign the club assigns a new captain. Happened many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, SCB said: And if the captain refuses to sign the club assigns a new captain. Happened many times. During the years Kim said he wasn't being paid Lakeside had the same captain all the time, before that it was Dave watt for three years, neither are exactly shrinking violets if something needs to be said, so whatever the full facts behind Kims issue, swapping captains around was not part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, SCB said: And if the captain refuses to sign the club assigns a new captain. Happened many times. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... You will get fooled again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Disgusting not paying riders just shows how unprofessional the so called mickey mouse sport is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 IF it is Lakeside that owe the money, they should be forced to clear their debts before they are allowed to run in 2018. Its disgusting ... 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Owing money is alleged to be commonplace in which case there could be several clubs 'not allowed to run' in 2018. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uluru Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Maybe Scott Nicholls has had a lucky escape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffo Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 20 hours ago, mikebv said: Always wondered why riders don't stand together more when payment isn't forthcoming.. No riders, no Speedway meeting...! Didn't Captains once have to sign something to say that all money was paid and up to date..? Sadly, you sometimes think that some riders would jump at the chance of taking a guest booking to replace another who takes a (ludicrously unfair) 28 day ban for "withholding his services" rather than standing as a collective to get a fair deal.. The Captains of Both Teams still have to sign that they have all been paid whilst they have ridden for their own Team or unpaid by other teams when they have been riding away or in Individuals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: Exactly. I personally think Nahlins stance is the correct one, if owed money for more than a week or two they should refuse to ride. there would be a lot of riders not riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, stevehone said: there would be a lot of riders not riding It would only have to happen once.....that would sort it for the future 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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