hyderd Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Lambert is still very young, too much pressure could tip him the wrong way ie Too many nights out with so called friends,drinking too much of the devil's brew,a certain L B from Eastbourne is the perfect example, 16 years old full of potential, but choose the wrong company. Robert like Dan has the natural ability to go all the way with his career, I so hope he does. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Col said: Darcy Ward wold have been 19 in May 2011, his EL average for the 2011 season was 8.94. I would hope Bewley would do fine in the 1-5 of the Ace's lineup. I don't think it is fair to compare anyone to Darcy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 9 hours ago, bellevueace said: When Collins, Morton, and Lee were coming through there is no comparison at all to the type of riders they were coming up against on a weekly basis as we had by far the strongest league in the world in those days, no doubt riding against the very best week in week out brought their natural ability through. Bewley and Lambert both have a natural talent but as we have seen many times before British riders have in the past failed to live up to expectation. I think Bewley will progress as someone else has stated he has a good racing brain and has his feet firmly on the ground, a lot of that grounding I think is down to his mentor Steve Lawson who is doing a great job looking after Dan, and this is what could be the one thing missing with Lambert, having someone with that experience to help him channel his obvious talent in the right direction. He did seem reluctant to re sign for the Stars this season, lets hope that's not a negative and he can settle down and take the next step in his improvement. Steve Lawson what a rider he was Mr Glasgow for years he was a quiet guy just like Dan.It must be great having someone in your corner who was a very good rider seen it done it and has bags of experience also having them there as a friend as well must be great. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 7 hours ago, foreverblue said: I don't think it is fair to compare anyone to Darcy. How do you make that out ? Gollob COULD do things on a bike that only others could dream of!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Best I ever saw for doing things on a bike was Peter Craven, just jaw dropping good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Darcy was undoubtedly an outstanding talent and who knows what he may have achieved. It was a tragedy that his career was cut short when he was only 23. It's all a matter of opinion. I agree about Peter Craven, who was known as the wizard of balance. PeterCollins also had incredible skills. I remember seeing Peter win a race after his handlebars snapped in half. Fortunately the right half of the bars was still secure and he continued by holding onto the top of the forks with his left hand and controlling the bike with his right hand. I have no idea how he still managed to slide it round the bends at speed but he did. Michael Lee was another incredible rider and all three, Craven, Collins and Lee were World Champions before they were 23. Those three and others, like the Moran brothers, who had fantastic bike skills, can certainly be compared to Darcy and some of them had achieved more than Darcy at a younger age. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 14 hours ago, Col said: Darcy Ward wold have been 19 in May 2011, his EL average for the 2011 season was 8.94. I would hope Bewley would do fine in the 1-5 of the Ace's lineup. I thought Ward's ave was nearer 8 at that age.Impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, foreverblue said: I don't think it is fair to compare anyone to Darcy. Not looked,but Mike Lee would be higher in the top league in the world at that time. Both riders careers ended to early.Darcy by far the more tragic. Darcy the best since Lee by a long way. Edited March 7, 2018 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 Can’t ever compare Bewley to Ward. For starters in this league Darcys 8.94 would have been closer to 10.00. So always going to be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted March 7, 2018 Report Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 minute ago, poolebolton said: Can’t ever compare Bewley to Ward. For starters in this league Darcys 8.94 would have been closer to 10.00. So always going to be difficult. What would Lee's of been 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: I don't think it is fair to compare anyone to Darcy. Would be interesting to see how Zmarzlick compares, average wise at same age on the continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 52 minutes ago, poolebolton said: Can’t ever compare Bewley to Ward. For starters in this league Darcys 8.94 would have been closer to 10.00. So always going to be difficult. Bewley has had one season in top tier British Speedway, who knows what he could achieve. My post was responding to someone asking what Ward averaged at Lambert's current age. I also said that I hoped Bewley would be do OK in the Aces 1-5 in response to a separate question. Ward was a special talent, while Lambert's same age stats do not compare well to him, they could well do in comparison to Doyle, Holder & Woffinden. All who have been World Speedway Champion, which Ward will never be, sadly. But I don't think staying at Kings Lynn was best for Lambert in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: , What would Lee's of been Michael Lee, in only his third year, 1977, aged just 18, won the British Championship and only lost out in the World Final in atrocious conditions . He topped the averages with 10.59. and that was when the British League was the best in the world, having all the best riders competing over here.. He was a bit special..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Col said: Would be interesting to see how Zmarzlick compares, average wise at same age on the continent. Zmarzlik's average was 8.22 in 2014 and 9.33 in 2015, however he would have been riding at reserve in both years. Edited March 8, 2018 by MattK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 I have no question in my mind that darcy ward if not injured would have been the greatest ever rider to grace the shale. That' how good he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: I have no question in my mind that darcy ward if not injured would have been the greatest ever rider to grace the shale. That' how good he was. Spot on i remember one night at poole after the meeting first time on the track this young lad going round which of course was darcy i said to my wife hey this is special the rest is history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) He could also due to lifestyle choice just as easily gone the other way, to say he would have eclipsed the likes of Craven, Collins, Lee etc is a big big statement, one I don't agree with. Edited March 8, 2018 by bellevueace 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, MattK said: Zmarzlik's average was 8.22 in 2014 and 9.33 in 2015, however he would have been riding at reserve in both years. So in 2016 Zmarzlik was not at reserve? If so his 9.9 Polish Ekstraliga average that year is much better than 7.95 2012 figure that Ward achieved at the same age. Of course this is not totally representative, Leon Madsen had a higher Polish Ekstraliga average than Jason Doyle in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: I have no question in my mind that darcy ward if not injured would have been the greatest ever rider to grace the shale. That' how good he was. Not sure i agree with that. Hugely hugely gifted but would he have ever won a world title? Maybe but sadly we will never know........trouble was his application and dedication was appalling and may have held him back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 8, 2018 Report Share Posted March 8, 2018 His application was appallng and he was still best rider out there. It' scary to think what he would have done once he grown up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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