Starman2006 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gavan said: I hear what you are saying but at some point all riders go on the downgrade. He is 31 this year , doesnt mean he cant get back to his best but i think those days are gone. He will average around 8 and do well to make top 10 in the gp's World class rider....yes As good as he was..........not in my opinion I agree with you, but i still feel he's better than what he's been showing, i would say he could still average at least 8.50 Edited March 5, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: I think the management will put plenty of pressure on the riders. They have been signed to perform and not just turn up and ride. I agree with you, team spirit is all important and yes you need a happy camp, but on the same token they are as you say here to do a job.. We all know Matt.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, hyderd said: What Holder needs to and does do are 2 different things, the injuries he received at Coventry seemed to mentally affect his riding, then the dreadful accident to his best pal seemed to amplify this. Does C Holder have the ability.............YES......Does C Holder have the mental ability..................we will have to wait and see. I agree, his injuries were bad, and mentally that takes it out of you tell me about it, then you had poor Darcy, that would have had an effect, then you have his personal life , and i wouldnt want that myself, yes it all takes its toll. To a certain extent it will all still be there, although we dont have any brick walls to worry about, its a shame about Darcy, but you have to try and put it to the back of your mind as much as you can. His personal life will be resolved... Edited March 5, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, DC2 said:  Hmmmm I can see Bellego finishing higher in the averages than three of Poole’s top five. Woryna, Grajkzonek and Sundstrom. Really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Biggest average improvers by team. Also going to throw out some names who will take a hit on there averages. BV - Biggest improver - Rohan Tungate. Craig Cook to take a hit on his average. Craig will struggle in the GP's imo and with no Championship club this year his confidence might drop especially if Rybnik drops him during the season then meeting's will also become an issue. KL - Biggest improver - Nobody. Poor side imo. Leicester - Biggest Improver - Danny King. Riding at No.3 will suit Danny. Experienced racer on all tracks expecting a good season from DK. Poole - Biggest improver - Kacper Woryna. Should put 2.5 to 3 points on his starting average. Rye House - Biggest improver - KK. Expecting KK to put 1.25 to 1.5 points on his average. He always has a good season after a bad one. Somerset - Biggest improver - Jack Holder. JD will help Jack develop next season Jack should put a point on his starting average imo. Swindon - Biggest improver - Adam Ellis. Should put half a point on his starting average. N. Morris & Bellego to take a hit on the averages if Bellego can end up with a 6.5 average then he has done well. Wolves - Biggest improver - Nobody. Really is a poor side and all of those riders will take a hit on there averages imo.   2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I think the management will put plenty of pressure on the riders. They have been signed to perform and not just turn up and ride. Maybe that is where you have gone wrong then in the last few seasons, also i don't feel that is the way  Middlo likes to manage his riders.The reason why you have been pretty average in the last few years is because   you have not been good anough also your home track has not helped matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 I think Lewis Kerr might surprise a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Drodz, Allen & Davey who i think will surprise plenty this year The only surprise for me is if Davey lasts past the first set of team averages!  Happy to be proved wrong but in all the years he has been here - he hasn't improved to hold down a PL place (or even a CL place) Edited March 5, 2018 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Allen will improve ,plenty of 5:1 with Doyle,great team rider to have in any club,only new to British shores and already has beat some of the best riders with a lot more track knowledge,one natural talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) On 3/4/2018 at 10:40 PM, Starboy118 said: Chris Holder should manage to increase his carefully manufactured 2017 average!  2017 average is on a par with his 2015 average wouldn't take it for granted he will improve on that. For me the two riders who will increase their average the most are Kacper Woryna & Dan Bewley. Belle Vue's 3 Aussies could improve. Not sure on the other Pirates, James Shanes aside. I expect Danny King will have a good year with Hans Andersen, Martin Vaculik & potentially Krystian Pieszczek all above him in the averages.  Should be more dialed into Beaumont Sports Complex track also. Unless Robert Lambert makes great strides I'm failing to see anyone in the Stars team who will improve their average same with Wolves, Cameron Heeps aside. After poor 2017's Krzysztof Kasprzak & Edward Kennett should improve their averages, also expect Stuart Robson to have a decent year at reserve. Some improvers for Somerset & Swindon in the among the reserves & second strings. Edited March 6, 2018 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 22 hours ago, hyderd said: What Holder needs to and does do are 2 different things, the injuries he received at Coventry seemed to mentally affect his riding, then the dreadful accident to his best pal seemed to amplify this. Does C Holder have the ability.............YES......Does C Holder have the mental ability..................we will have to wait and see. Only a fool would doubt Holder's ability, but what we saw last year was a side of him few could have imagined.  It really was an eye opener.  For that reason my thoughts of him as a rider took a massive downward step. Up to that point we would have forgiven him for his substandard displays, hoping he would come good in the end.  But after that sad day in July, It was obvious he was someone who forgot about the fans and only rode for this own being, to me he has lost all the respect that I and many others had for him.  Its a shame really, cos' he will never ever get that respect back....   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 25 minutes ago, g13webb said: Only a fool would doubt Holder's ability, but what we saw last year was a side of him few could have imagined.  It really was an eye opener.  For that reason my thoughts of him as a rider took a massive downward step. Up to that point we would have forgiven him for his substandard displays, hoping he would come good in the end.  But after that sad day in July, It was obvious he was someone who forgot about the fans and only rode for this own being, to me he has lost all the respect that I and many others had for him.  Its a shame really, cos' he will never ever get that respect back....   I completely agree, obviously should be a steal on his current average but he lost a lot of respect that night and if Matt Ford had allowed it probably would now be at Somerset with his brother. He has been a fantastic rider for Poole and always liked him as a person but he will have to work hard to get the respect back, a rider of his quality should have, especially from non Poole fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I completely agree, obviously should be a steal on his current average but he lost a lot of respect that night and if Matt Ford had allowed it probably would now be at Somerset with his brother. He has been a fantastic rider for Poole and always liked him as a person but he will have to work hard to get the respect back, a rider of his quality should have, especially from non Poole fans. holder let british speedway down last year as well as kings lynn . but if this thread is based on averages then chris will improve if based on ability no he wont imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, ray c said: holder let british speedway down last year as well as kings lynn . but if this thread is based on averages then chris will improve if based on ability no he wont imo Well I think from the first post, this thread is about averages, Holder isn't the rider he was, we all know that if we are realistic but he performed so badly last year that he will improve his average but I have my doubts that it will be a massive improvement as some seem to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, g13webb said: Only a fool would doubt Holder's ability, but what we saw last year was a side of him few could have imagined.  It really was an eye opener.  For that reason my thoughts of him as a rider took a massive downward step. Up to that point we would have forgiven him for his substandard displays, hoping he would come good in the end.  But after that sad day in July, It was obvious he was someone who forgot about the fans and only rode for this own being, to me he has lost all the respect that I and many others had for him.  Its a shame really, cos' he will never ever get that respect back....   Obviously I was not there, but reading people's thoughts about the incident certainly painted a picture we Belle Vue fans have of him. That said it's now in the past and we can show our feeling when he rides our tracks. Will he ever get back to the good old days when he and Darcy were pretty much invincible, he's still young enough so maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, g13webb said: Only a fool would doubt Holder's ability, but what we saw last year was a side of him few could have imagined.  It really was an eye opener.  For that reason my thoughts of him as a rider took a massive downward step. Up to that point we would have forgiven him for his substandard displays, hoping he would come good in the end.  But after that sad day in July, It was obvious he was someone who forgot about the fans and only rode for this own being, to me he has lost all the respect that I and many others had for him.  Its a shame really, cos' he will never ever get that respect back....   Some Poole fans have short memories also as it appeared they were unhappy with his attitude and average in 2016 and were only too happy to have him shipped off to Kings Lynn. It would appear his attitude issues were carried across so if will be interesting to see if his issues with MF remain. No one can dispute his ability. His attitude however seems to be the issue the past couple of seasons and that would appear the key to his potential average improvement this season.  Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Well I think from the first post, this thread is about averages, Holder isn't the rider he was, we all know that if we are realistic but he performed so badly last year that he will improve his average but I have my doubts that it will be a massive improvement as some seem to think. Chris has had a hell of a lot on his plate. Think about it, if you were i'll what would you think about ? Yes yourself. Chris has had a lot to contend with off track as well as poor Darcy, so put yourself in his shoes. Its not like Chris to ignore the fans, he just has a lot on and it would affect his speedway. Hopefully he can put some of that behind him this year and be more of the rider we all know. Give the bloke a chance, he's not even turned a wheel yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitykat Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 You should start a chris holder fan club, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Kitykat said: You should start a chris holder fan club, Some should realise its not all beer and skittles .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 58 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Chris has had a hell of a lot on his plate. Think about it, if you were i'll what would you think about ? Yes yourself. Chris has had a lot to contend with off track as well as poor Darcy, so put yourself in his shoes. Its not like Chris to ignore the fans, he just has a lot on and it would affect his speedway. Hopefully he can put some of that behind him this year and be more of the rider we all know. Give the bloke a chance, he's not even turned a wheel yet... When was he ill? I know he has gone through a lot, I was at Coventry the night of his crash and at Kings Lynn the night of his refusal to race. I just said in my opinion he isn't the rider he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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