Argos Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) Now that Mr Scott Nicholls instructed a Sport Specialist Law firm and won his case, Any rider who is not happy that he is not a free agent at the end of a season even when is “Parent club don’t want to use him, and they get a Loan fee for him, could go to this very reputable Company were they would advise the rider that this is against the Law of the land, and this would completely screw the BSPAs Assets system and clubs Balance Sheets Edited February 25, 2018 by Argos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Also, what’s to stop any club with 10 points left for 2 riders offering contexts to two 10 point riders and being 10 points over the limit? If the BSPA reject it then it’s restraint of trade. In fact if I was Max Clegg I’d be taking the BSPA to court for restraint of trade. Lakeside were happy to employ him but the BSPA have rejected it. That’s not fair is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Maybe its about time.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 IN Nicholls case it was more the BSPA wouldn’t let him drop down into a Lowe league not specifically for a club he didn’t want to join. The asset system favours wealthier clubs and quite frankly isnt going to stop a rider going where he wants to go. We are now entering an austerity period for speedway so it’s best assets were got rid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It’s so basic, All Speedway riders are Self Employed they agree to ride for a club until the end of a season, Due to the fact they are Self Employed they can ride for any other club in the world excluding the UK, His UK club do not deduct Income Tax or NI Contributions,but yet they are assets of a Company, Any Accountancy would tell you the system is completely illegal never mind a Legal Expert. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) so maybe we are heading back to the 70,s the points limit. could be dropped and scrapped and the asset system should be dropped . that brings in football , rugby and a whole load of other sports . looks like mr Bosmans rule could rear its head again . for decades the sport has been run by muppets who think they are above the law. even the law think they are above the law . so thats it . throw away the rule book . new laws/regulations for the coming season . 1 tape breakers excluded 2 four riders turning RIGHT on the corners . 3. new 1 min rule .no mucking about at start . thats all you need ! looking forward to seeing scoptt do more laps at wucky. hope its not too cold for him up north . Edited February 25, 2018 by jenga forgetful barperson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) . DANGER , DANGER, WARNING , WARNING ,DANGER , DANGER. Edited February 25, 2018 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Points limit is not unlawful, rider assets are, simple as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It's very simple. If the governing body invent a set of rules they have to be: 1.Make sense. 2. Fair. 3. Be applied equitably (same for everyone). Then this is legal and not open to challenge. For example, the points limit for each club passes the above 3 rules. So is not open to challenge. Build a side to 60 points and it cannot be justified within the rules and cannot be accepted, legally. Invent a rule that doesn't pass all 3 rules (e.g. rule 3) and you are liable to challenge, legally. Are we clear? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedcider Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Chickens coming home to roost? For years now the sport that we love has been allowed to run itself into the ground and almost to the point of self destruction. If ever there was a time to wake up, and give the sport a shake up, It has to be now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Argos said: Points limit is not unlawful, rider assets are, simple as Explain the difference. BSPA reject Peterborough’s teams that’s illegal. BSPA reject Lakesides team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, False dawn said: It's very simple. If the governing body invent a set of rules they have to be: 1.Make sense. 2. Fair. 3. Be applied equitably (same for everyone). Then this is legal and not open to challenge. For example, the points limit for each club passes the above 3 rules. So is not open to challenge. Build a side to 60 points and it cannot be justified within the rules and cannot be accepted, legally. Invent a rule that doesn't pass all 3 rules (e.g. rule 3) and you are liable to challenge, legally. Are we clear? How does Scott Nicholls not being allowed to drop down not them three things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Points limit is the same for all teams, all teams agreed to the points limit Nichols and Kennett were not treated the same as other eiders of equal or even better ability I don't see what there is to misunderstand about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SCB said: How does Scott Nicholls not being allowed to drop down not them three things? It just fails on all three 1,.Make sense. 2. Fair. 3. Be applied equitably (same for everyone). the points limit doesn't fail on any Edited February 25, 2018 by The Third Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 minute ago, The Third Man said: It just fails on all three 1,.Make sense. 2. Fair. 3. Be applied equitably (same for everyone). Except it does make sense or the second division will end up with a load of first division riders and increase costs. It is as fair as the points limit because it applies to all teams and all riders. It is applied to everyone. Name a rider with a Premiership average over 6 that has been allowed to drop down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, SCB said: Except it does make sense or the second division will end up with a load of first division riders and increase costs. It is as fair as the points limit because it applies to all teams and all riders. It is applied to everyone. Name a rider with a Premiership average over 6 that has been allowed to drop down? It didn't apply to all riders, riders with a higher average were allowed to ride in the CL it discriminated against riders that didn't ride in the CL last season. the old rule was applied to all riders in what is now the PL with an average over 6, so didn't discriminate against anyone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 the 2nd division is already full of elite, premier riders, or is it the other way round ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 The BSPA cannot invent rules that contravene the law of the land but they do, Speedway riders are protected by Employment Law, They are self employed and have freedom of choice who they want to ride for, which means they are not assets of any Company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Argos said: The BSPA cannot invent rules that contravene the law of the land but they do, Speedway riders are protected by Employment Law, , which means they are not assets of any Company Not assets, but clubs hold the registration to ride in the UK. How does the law stand then when a rider has a visa, but wants to change clubs midseason. Surely your statement can't be true in those circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 hours ago, The Third Man said: Points limit is the same for all teams, all teams agreed to the points limit Nichols and Kennett were not treated the same as other eiders of equal or even better ability I don't see what there is to misunderstand about this Did Peterborough agree. They didn't or weren't allowed to attend the meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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