No TV deal?

[BWitcher]

1 minute ago, Midland Red said:

No screw loose, my friend.  The second half gave us the chance of watching individual speedway racing, rather than team racing.

An opportunity to watch the home riders compete AGAINST each other as well as the opposing team members

Boocock v McKinlay ; Mountford v Lightfoot ; Fisher v Craven ; Fundin v Nygren ; Knutsson v Briggs . . . etc

Plus watching the stars of tomorrow develop - at Brandon there was Ron Wilson junior (Ray to you and me), the development of Mitch Shirra, Alf Busk, Rick Miller, Gary Guglielmi etc week on week, from falling off virtually every outing to competing with more established riders

Perhaps the main point you and others are missing is that it was the speedway racing that was the attraction, there were 20 heats to watch (plus invariably the third half!) and it was the only way to watch speedway from one week to the next, without visiting other tracks [this is where my previous post remained on-topic with regard to television]

Dont ever recall leaving after heat 13!

 

Second halves are a complete and utter waste of time. You are arguing from the point of view of us old time fans who used to love watching every single race, even riders practicing gave us a thrill. Those days are gone, there is a new breed of supporter out there and they're not interested in practice races, exhibition races.

I'm like you, I never used to leave, I would always stay for 2nd halves, whatever the 2nd half may have been and then riders practicing after that. They were great days, but they're not going to get anyone back in through the door.

[Tsunami]

3 hours ago, moxey63 said:

Please find me that "quote." If not, please stick to the subject, instead of trying to smear my views. If you don't take my views, then what about all the thousands of lost fans that did pay but no longer attend,. Let's use them as a yardstick. How do we get them back?

Are trying the denial act now. I can only quote what you yourself put on here. You also said that you wouldn't go now even if they paid you to. Deny that if you can.

Edited February 23, 2018 by Tsunami

[moxey63]

41 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Are trying the denial act now. I can only quote what you yourself put on here. You also said that you wouldn't go now even if they paid you to. Deny that you can.

I did say I wouldn't go now even if they paid me. You are right about one thing. 

[BWitcher]

26 minutes ago, moxey63 said:

I did say I wouldn't go now even if they paid me. You are right about one thing. 

Are there no ends to your nonsense?

[steve roberts]

5 hours ago, BWitcher said:

It doesn't tell part of the story, it tells the whole story. 

It is simply bona fide fact that the more teams there are in a league, the more perceived 'star' riders there will be.

I agree with most of your post but that is just the ebb and flow of individual riders careers and nothing to do with the original point.

...personally I forgot what the original point was now!

[moxey63]

27 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Are there no ends to your nonsense?

No.. not usually. I like to mingle with people of similar views.

[steve roberts]

6 hours ago, Grachan said:

I remember at both Reading and Swindon, you'd get a massive crowd gathering around the exit at heat 13, many of whom would run into the car park before the race was even finished. I used to get a lift with one guy who used to do this.

Never understood it myself. Much easier to leave half way through the second half and avoid the queues.

I think some people these days over-estimate what second halves meant to the majority of the crowd.

...and more than probable that these same people question value for money nowadays.

Personally I liked the 13 heat formula (as did John Berry) but I grew up watching matches over 14, 15 & 16 heats and each had their particular merits.

However personally I would want more than just 15 heats of speedway (in whatever guise) to satisfy my deemed value for money but that's my personal choice.

[flagrag]

I am going back to my colleagues at BT to try and find out why the deal has not been announced as I was originally told it was tied in to a BT announcement that they had secured the rights to Moto GP long term and that they were running an advertising campaign about the home of motorbike racing with Moto GP,UK Speedway and GP Speedway 

This announcement has now taken place and the ad campaign is in full swing but no mention of the Speedway 

[moxey63]

29 minutes ago, flagrag said:

I am going back to my colleagues at BT to try and find out why the deal has not been announced as I was originally told it was tied in to a BT announcement that they had secured the rights to Moto GP long term and that they were running an advertising campaign about the home of motorbike racing with Moto GP,UK Speedway and GP Speedway 

This announcement has now taken place and the ad campaign is in full swing but no mention of the Speedway 

Maybe BT won't start showing domestic racing until the summer, like last year, when the table is just heating up.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

4 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Somehow being unable to find a sponsor for the TV coverage?? Seriously, how is that possible?ANYTHING is better than nothing. "Premiership Speedway brought to you by.." at the start and end of each advert break. Once one company has that, others will show an interest and bid a bit more to get it. Asking stupid prices from the off and ending up with nothing.. where oh where is the benefit in that?

Not sure if it is just a 'fake news' situation but I recall a post stating that a top company was offered the title sponsor position for nothing and turned it down as they didnt feel that the connection would be good for them even though it was free.

[BWitcher]

11 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Not sure if it is just a 'fake news' situation but I recall a post stating that a top company was offered the title sponsor position for nothing and turned it down as they didnt feel that the connection would be good for them even though it was free.

If this was true.. which I highly doubt, that's one company.. there are thousands!

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

If this was true.. which I highly doubt, that's one company.. there are thousands!

Totally agree - it is a disgrace that no deal has been done over the years.

[steve roberts]

22 hours ago, Grachan said:

I remember at both Reading and Swindon, you'd get a massive crowd gathering around the exit at heat 13, many of whom would run into the car park before the race was even finished. I used to get a lift with one guy who used to do this.

Never understood it myself. Much easier to leave half way through the second half and avoid the queues.

I think some people these days over-estimate what second halves meant to the majority of the crowd.

...and more than probable that these same people question value for money nowadays.

Personally I liked the 13 heat formula (as did John Berry) but I grew up watching matches over 14, 15 & 16 heats and each had their particular merits.

However personally I would want more than just 15 heats of speedway (in whatever guise) to satisfy my deemed value for money but that's my personal choice.

[steve roberts]

TV coverage will/has always caused debate but the bottom line is that although speedway has featured for nearly twenty years on satellite TV it's failed to attract a new audience and interest which is a worrying trend.

 

Edited February 24, 2018 by steve roberts

[moxey63]

Interesting to see Poole, arguably the best-supported club in Britain, cutting its cloth accordingly after losing TV revenue. One of the things they are departing from is the team outfits and returning to race jackets. Seems some of us aren't actually living in the past but have chosen to return to it.

[BWitcher]

2 hours ago, steve roberts said:

TV coverage will/has always caused debate but the bottom line is that although speedway has featured for nearly twenty years on satellite TV it's failed to attract a new audience and interest which is a worrying trend.

 

And it is blindingly obvious the reasons why. Nothing to do with 'on track action' either.

[moxey63]

2 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

And it is blindingly obvious the reasons why. Nothing to do with 'on track action' either.

Was it the green helmet, double points, six-lap nominated heats, riders on handicaps and going for double-points, that mole thingy Sky used to sort of mock us all (just remembered that), getting rid of  Suzi Perry, then Sophie Blake? Seriously though, racing has been decent standard. But in Speedway, it isn't always about racing. 

[BWitcher]

2 hours ago, moxey63 said:

Was it the green helmet, double points, six-lap nominated heats, riders on handicaps and going for double-points, that mole thingy Sky used to sort of mock us all (just remembered that), getting rid of  Suzi Perry, then Sophie Blake? Seriously though, racing has been decent standard. But in Speedway, it isn't always about racing. 

Quite simply week after week it was broadcast in front of a minimal, atmosphere-less crowd. 

[moxey63]

11 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

Quite simply week after week it was broadcast in front of a minimal, atmosphere-less crowd. 

Would that keep away a casual observer in front of his Tv who liked the racing? Some of the football matches I watch on TV have 30,000 in the crowd and it can be deathly quiet. I understand your point though... used to love Wolves coming to Belle Vue in the mid-90s, they brought with them loads of fans and helped whip up some life into the Belle Vue fans. Proper atmosphere.  

[steve roberts]

3 hours ago, BWitcher said:

And it is blindingly obvious the reasons why. Nothing to do with 'on track action' either.

...but not 'blindingly obvious' to those running the sport evidently!