No TV deal?

[A ORLOV]

20 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

MIGHT have been a year earlier ... was on Quest when Eurosport (same ownership) wasn't available. 

Just checked tv box, you are right the full meeting was in 2015, in 2016 quest showed a couple of GP meetings, but highlights only.  It is good being able to go back and watch them years after they happened. 

[A ORLOV]

2 hours ago, MattK said:

Is this a symptom of fixed race nights causing more clashes with televised meetins?

I think you may be right and I did comment on this when a fixed night was muted, will many stay at home and watch a meeting if their normal team is at home but against a not very good team or the weather is iffy.  

[moxey63]

How the mighty fall. Speedway fans not long ago bitching about SKY walking away, saying "BT offered better pictures anyway," and "SKY wasn't such a big loss." Now BT seem a little shy on speedway, so let's go to Quest! Desperado situation.  At this rate, we'll actually see more people trackside than actually watching live at home on... err.. Quest. What next... Gospel TV?

Edited February 15, 2018 by moxey63

[moxey63]

When SKY started covering live matches 20 years ago, it was a sport that still had some life in it. SKY could see it had potential. I guess their belief in the sport went the way of so many fans we remember that filled the terraces all those years ago. Rained-off matches when the cameras were all set up must have worn them a little. Meanwhile, BT have found there's not enough meat on the bone to get its fingers messy on. It has gone all pear shape and we're close to the actual stalk. Another winter of fresh promises, another time of us edging nearer toward yet another new dawn of speedway's life-saving fresh start that we were promised only months ago. How many look forward to a new season? Unlike times now long gone, when close seasons were hard to cope without speedway, all the optimism of a new year of speedway is eroded in the winter months that we should be freshening ourselves up in preparation for. Promoters (and they really should stop calling themselves that) huddled their collective brain-power together to re-invent the sport they re-invented only last year, and we're left with... Never mind, they might sort it out next winter. 

Thank god for the Speedway Star winter articles on the old days.

[Grachan]

16 minutes ago, adonis said:

so much TV money in the past has wound up in terry russells bank account , now he's off and away with it , instead of it being ploughed back into speedway where we should be reaping the benefits and having a sport that TV companies want to pay for .. 

They seemed a lot happier paying for it when Terry was involved. People can comment all they like about Terry Russell, but when he was negotiating TV deals there was regular speedway on the box from the start of the season to the finish and very few doubts about whether or not there would be.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Grachan

[MattK]

16 minutes ago, adonis said:

so much TV money in the past has wound up in terry russells bank account , now he's off and away with it , instead of it being ploughed back into speedway where we should be reaping the benefits and having a sport that TV companies want to pay for .. 

I'd imagine that a very high percentage of that was used to keep Swindon afloat.

[moxey63]

1 minute ago, MattK said:

I'd imagine that a very high percentage of that was used to keep Swindon afloat.

That's what I can't understand... clubs having to be kept afloat with money that isn't always guaranteed, and yet they're planning a brand new stadium for a sport that is trying to keep itself afloat, on a club that has apparently had to have money injected into it. Then there's Belle Vue's new stadium, which has new seats that I bet haven't even had bums parked in them since its arrival. I mean, Swindon showing us pictures of what their new gaff will be like when it's built seems a bit unrealistic for someone, those of us, who have stepped back and can give an honest view of what speedway is really like as a modern day attraction. I heard though it was a toss-up between a new stadium or new video rental store.

[MattK]

1 minute ago, moxey63 said:

That's what I can't understand... clubs having to be kept afloat with money that isn't always guaranteed, and yet they're planning a brand new stadium for a sport that is trying to keep itself afloat, on a club that has apparently had to have money injected into it. Then there's Belle Vue's new stadium, which has new seats that I bet haven't even had bums parked in them since its arrival. I mean, Swindon showing us pictures of what their new gaff will be like when it's built seems a bit unrealistic for someone, those of us, who have stepped back and can give an honest view of what speedway is really like as a modern day attraction. I heard though it was a toss-up between a new stadium or new video rental store.

They have no intention of building a new stadium in Swindon, it was merely a ploy to get planning permission for houses.

[moxey63]

Just now, MattK said:

They have no intention of building a new stadium in Swindon, it was merely a ploy to get planning permission for houses.

You old cynic! What about the video shop?

[Grand Central]

24 minutes ago, Grachan said:

They seemed a lot happier paying for it when Terry was involved. People can comment all they like about Terry Russell, but when he was negotiating TV deals there was regular speedway on the box from the start of the season to the finish and very few doubts about whether or not there would be.

 

 

This is not accurate surely.

I thought Terry Russell was very much involved in negotiating when Sky decided they wanted out on their deal last year. And was also involved in cobbling together last year's arrangement to salvage the half year arrangement with BT. 

Actually not criticising TR here ... Just didn't think the sequence of events you state is quite right.

[topaz325]

Does Godspeed still have the copyright to all Speedway video and photographs.

[Grachan]

10 minutes ago, Grand Central said:

This is not accurate surely.

I thought Terry Russell was very much involved in negotiating when Sky decided they wanted out on their deal last year. And was also involved in cobbling together last year's arrangement to salvage the half year arrangement with BT. 

Actually not criticising TR here ... Just didn't think the sequence of events you state is quite right.

If that's the case, he managed to negotiate getting it on another channel.

I think people have always been unfair to TR regarding speedway on TV. If he made money out of it, so what? We were able to watch a lot of televised speedway over the years because of it, so hopefully this will now continue despite some promotions apparently being against it.

[Grand Central]

11 minutes ago, Grachan said:

If that's the case, he managed to negotiate getting it on another channel.

I think people have always been unfair to TR regarding speedway on TV. If he made money out of it, so what? We were able to watch a lot of televised speedway over the years because of it, so hopefully this will now continue despite some promotions apparently being against it.

As I made clear. I offered no criticism of TR.

[stevehone]

22 minutes ago, topaz325 said:

Does Godspeed still have the copyright to all Speedway video and photographs.

i've signed all my photographer paperwork this year and can't remember the GoSpeed bits being in there

[bigcatdiary]

6 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

IT'S not about when TV are there. Workington claim that they lost 300 fans last year because of speedway on TV. Work that one out.

Perhaps not a good idea to run against a GP 

3 hours ago, Richard Weston said:

Workington are a Saturday night track. Looks like 300 stayed at home and watched GP instead of going to a live meeting.

I think many promoters are wary about running against a GP.

Shouldn’t be much of a problem this year with only 14 Championship Fixtures 

[PHILIPRISING]

11 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

Perhaps not a good idea to run against a GP 

Shouldn’t be much of a problem this year with only 14 Championship Fixtures 

And they were against the domestic TV deal ... no clashes there

[False dawn]

3 minutes ago, Richard Weston said:

As I have said before, a relative of mine did the Maths, and worked out it was cheaper to subscribe to Sky than go every week to Lynn. They lost 2 admissions + good/drinks etc every week because of that decision. And, as he says, I got the boxing as well.

Each to their own, but it does show the case is not as black and white as some try and make out.

How much has Lynn lost over the last X years since Sky starting broadcasting.

Ah but, the smell isn't nearly as good! 

[Starman2006]

10 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

GO Speed (Terry Russell) no longer involved with TV negotiations going forward but deal for 2018 has already been done, although a small number of promoters are still bitching about it.

Those small amount of promoters should think themselves lucky we have a TV deal and they will get something out of it.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Starman2006

[Starman2006]

12 minutes ago, Richard Weston said:

As I have said before, a relative of mine did the Maths, and worked out it was cheaper to subscribe to Sky than go every week to Lynn. They lost 2 admissions + good/drinks etc every week because of that decision. And, as he says, I got the boxing as well.

 

But they would have got payments from Sky, so they wouldnt have lost a whole lot. Perhaps when Sky/BT are in town the promotion do a tenner for that meeting, dangle the carrot..

[mickthemuppet]

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5 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Those small amount of promoters should think themselves lucky we have a TV deal and they will get something out of it.

So if there are four matches on a Monday night and one if televised the gates will be quite a bit down on all the matches. I would hate to be promoting any of those four matches. What's lucky about that?