electric speedway bike . WHEN?

[Stainlesssteelride]

Electric bikes with real bike sound through speakers, even by speedway standards that would be pathetic. 

[cyclone]

7 hours ago, Davet said:

During the '60s and '70s, the noise and the smell and (I'm afraid to say) the crashes were a great part of the appeal to many people. Closeness of racing and league success was less important than it is today as, win or lose the spectacle was enjoyable. Todays sanitised product, with the loss of the smell and much reduced noise level has greatly reduced this appeal and I believe is the reason for the disenchantment of many fans and the consequent diminishing gates. 

I believe the introduction of  silent, electric bikes would be the last nail in the coffin for the sport, if indeed it lasts that long!

Time for a reality check for those who believe that noise is not a problem in the environment that Speedway operates in the UK.

If some believe that the background noise is such an intrinsic factor in the Sport, then if Speedway is to continue in areas with residential housing nearby, the only option to keep both the sound addicts and the local residents happy would be to build/alter stadia to be totally enclosed with all-encompassing roofs.

This would probably be too costly to do in the first place, but would have the added bonus of preventing cancellations due to rain.

The other alternative is that Speedway circuits have to relocate to remote sites, and assuming there is no protected wildlife in the vicinity. 

If this was the case, then I wonder how a viable support could be attracted to travel to such locations.

Continuing to ignore other alternatives, such as quieter bikes, is more likely to the last nail in the coffin, if we wish to retain the Sport within, or near to population centers.

 

 

 

[MattK]

On 14/02/2018 at 9:02 PM, A ORLOV said:

Next year they claim they will have the whole race in the same car with the one battery, which is an improvement in the development.

The future is hydrogen as it only takes a few more mins than petrol to fill up the tank, ideal for long journeys.  They have hydrogen stations in Swindon and a few cars running on it.  Having to wait half a day for an electric recharge is no good unless only shortish journeys are being done.

That's old fashioned thinking. The future is an electric car, charged overnight from your home installed powerpacks, which are charged during the day from photovoltaic cells attached to your house.

Likewise, companies like Nationwide are plan to fit PV cells to the company car park, so you can charge your car while you're at work.

The idea of "filling up" your car at a station you have to travel to will seem decidedly 20th century.

[Davet]

I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm simply making the point that noise reduction, along with H and S and other factors, while perhaps inevitable, is making speedway less attractive to many.

[A ORLOV]

10 hours ago, MattK said:

That's old fashioned thinking. The future is an electric car, charged overnight from your home installed powerpacks, which are charged during the day from photovoltaic cells attached to your house.

Likewise, companies like Nationwide are plan to fit PV cells to the company car park, so you can charge your car while you're at work.

The idea of "filling up" your car at a station you have to travel to will seem decidedly 20th century.

Not true, how is anyone going to drive any journey more than about 100 - 150 miles until, probably in many many years a battery that can hold that much power might be developed, this is why any top up fuel for long distance and the majority of transport, all day or long distance lorry transport, needs the current fuel until something like hydrogen is nationally available.  This is why most cars are hybrid so you still have to have filling stations. 

There is also a major issue with the production of all the batteries and the disposal of all those that die.

Electricy might be ok for going to work or the shops but is no good for a great number of journeys over 100 - 150 miles  and for convenience of travel, so are people going to have two vehicles.  

Edited February 18, 2018 by A ORLOV

[iris123]

5 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

Rubbish, how is anyone going to drive from London to Scotland until, probably in many many years a battery that can hold that much powermight be developed, this is why any top up fuel for long distance and the majority of transport, all day or long distance lorry transport, needs the current fuel until something like hydrogen is nationally available.

There is also a major issue with the production of all the batteries and the disposal of all those that die.

Electricy might be ok for going to work or the shops but is no good for a great number and convenience of travel, so are people going to have two vehicles.  

To an extent the answer is already out there.I saw on tv this week in one country they have a battery station,where you drive in hand in your almost empty battery and pick up a full one and drive on again......

[A ORLOV]

8 minutes ago, iris123 said:

To an extent the answer is already out there.I saw on tv this week in one country they have a battery station,where you drive in hand in your almost empty battery and pick up a full one and drive on again......

So every 100 miles or so you have to stop and change batteries, cannot see that catching on for long journeys.

There will be a cost involved and how many varieties of battery etc would be required for the hundreds of variety of different types of vehicle on the road.

Edited February 18, 2018 by A ORLOV

[MattK]

12 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

So every 100 miles or so you have to stop and change batteries, cannot see that catching on for long journeys.

There will be a cost involved and how many varieties of battery etc would be required for the hundreds of variety of different types of vehicle on the road.

Tesla already boast a 300+ mile range and charge to 80% in around 40 minutes. Don't forget, this technology is in it's infancy.

[Stainlesssteelride]

How much does one of those cost? 

[A ORLOV]

35 minutes ago, MattK said:

Tesla already boast a 300+ mile range and charge to 80% in around 40 minutes. Don't forget, this technology is in it's infancy.

Tesla have already given up with the development of battery swap points as the variety, size, locations of the battery in the vehicle, age and condition of the exchange battery and manufacturer warranty on the battery make swapping too  difficult and complicated.

Even 40 minutes for a recharge is too long for many people. 

Hydrogen technology is also in its infancy and will improve. 

Edited February 18, 2018 by A ORLOV

[Davet]

People seem to ignore the fact that electric vehicles are not "clean"; it's just that the pollution occurs somewhere else. You can argue that these are beneficial in an urban environment where local air quality may be an issue, but petrol / diesel power is more appropriate for non urban environments where journeys are generally longer as well. 

The same thing can be said for hydrogen power. Hydrogen itself can be said to be a clean fuel, but where will it come from? I suspect by reforming hydrocarbons, as gas companies did in the past, but this results in the production of carbon dioxide which is released to the atmosphere so, again, the pollution would simply occur somewhere else!

[Stainlesssteelride]

You can't flush a battery down drown a drain like you can old engine oil

[A ORLOV]

10 minutes ago, Davet said:

People seem to ignore the fact that electric vehicles are not "clean"; it's just that the pollution occurs somewhere else. You can argue that these are beneficial in an urban environment where local air quality may be an issue, but petrol / diesel power is more appropriate for non urban environments where journeys are generally longer as well. 

The same thing can be said for hydrogen power. Hydrogen itself can be said to be a clean fuel, but where will it come from? I suspect by reforming hydrocarbons, as gas companies did in the past, but this results in the production of carbon dioxide which is released to the atmosphere so, again, the pollution would simply occur somewhere else!

Bit like all the hype about the Prius that although might be slightly cleaner to run but created more polution to the environment in its manufacture.

[jenga]

1 hour ago, Stainlesssteelride said:

You can't flush a battery down drown a drain like you can old engine oil

 so it wasnt the tory canyon that spilt all that oil , it was you doing yopur weelky oil change on yer car !

 

Apple announce that there will be an app due shortly so when your car runs out of sparks , you simply plug your phone into the AUX outlet in your car and the car will use the charge from your phone and also recharge your phone while you arte driving , sorted ..

regarding getting rid of your old battery , stick it in the waste bin or just dump it by the side of the road , someone will pick it up after the kids have played with it  ...   

 

the bikes will only need to last 15 mins a meeting tops ! 

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2018 by jenga

[Stainlesssteelride]

Electric bikes or changing rules so Scott Nicholls can turn out for the Panthers. I don't know what's more stupid.

[SCB]

5 hours ago, A ORLOV said:

Not true, how is anyone going to drive any journey more than about 100 - 150 miles until, probably in many many years a battery that can hold that much power might be developed, this is why any top up fuel for long distance and the majority of transport, all day or long distance lorry transport, needs the current fuel until something like hydrogen is nationally available.  This is why most cars are hybrid so you still have to have filling stations. 

There is also a major issue with the production of all the batteries and the disposal of all those that die.

Electricy might be ok for going to work or the shops but is no good for a great number of journeys over 100 - 150 miles  and for convenience of travel, so are people going to have two vehicles.  

Tbf Tesla claim 300 miles in their latest car. And how many people do more than 300 miles in a single journey? In reality we all do 2-20 miles to work or the shops. Anything more than that is irregular, certainly in the U.K.

We’ve gone from 100 miles 7-10 years ago to 300 miles today, at that rate we’ll be getting close to 1000 miles in 10 years time, better than any petrol vehicle can do!

[New era Panthers]

2 hours ago, Stainlesssteelride said:

Electric bikes or changing rules so Scott Nicholls can turn out for the Panthers. I don't know what's more stupid.

You thinking it's o/k to flush  used engine oil down the drain.

[Stainlesssteelride]

I was joking, just like this latest speedway farce. Everyone knows old engine oil should be used to cook chips in.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Stainlesssteelride

[SPEEDY69]

9 hours ago, Stainlesssteelride said:

Electric bikes or changing rules so Scott Nicholls can turn out for the Panthers. I don't know what's more stupid.

The stupid bit was allowing 8/9 other riders with higher averages to double down in the Championship 

[A ORLOV]

8 hours ago, SCB said:

Tbf Tesla claim 300 miles in their latest car. And how many people do more than 300 miles in a single journey? In reality we all do 2-20 miles to work or the shops. Anything more than that is irregular, certainly in the U.K.

We’ve gone from 100 miles 7-10 years ago to 300 miles today, at that rate we’ll be getting close to 1000 miles in 10 years time, better than any petrol vehicle can do!

A fair number of people drive 300 miles a day so electric power for them is no good but those just going to work or the shops can use battery power, I did mention this.

Is it 300 miles if you drive like a granny, the way that many manufacturers claimed mpg figures in the past or 300 if you drive at 70mph or a lot of town driving with a lot of braking and accelaration, ie a London taxi.  In fact a London taxi use would be a good test for time and length of usage.  The only problem with taxis are that many are not kept in a garage or off the road overnight so recharging is not possible.

Edited February 19, 2018 by A ORLOV