kraftwerk Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 SoN Rule book is out, if you haven't seen it yet here is the section talking about Scoring I dont quite understand the dead heat half points though, can anyone translate into common language please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, kraftwerk said: I dont quite understand the dead heat half points though, can anyone translate into common language please I'd refer you to Bryan Seery but he is, sadly, no longer with us. Older fans will remember eh? You seem to think riders can only score whole numbers of points. Not so. For example if two riders tie for first place they both score 2.5 points. The total points are therefore, the same i.e. 5 points for the first two places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraftwerk Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, False dawn said: I'd refer you to Bryan Seery but he is, sadly, no longer with us. Older fans will remember eh? You seem to think riders can only score whole numbers of points. Not so. For example if two riders tie for first place they both score 2.5 points. The total points are therefore, the same i.e. 5 points for the first two places. oh yes, i thought they were talking about a dead heat between teams. So i guess in the Final if the two teams finish with 3:3 the winner is the one who actually wins that race. Regarding the dead heat mentioned in the rule book, when was the last time riders split points? I've never seen a ref splitting points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, kraftwerk said: Regarding the dead heat mentioned in the rule book, when was the last time riders split points? I've never seen a ref splitting points. It's always done like that. What do you think they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, kraftwerk said: oh yes, i thought they were talking about a dead heat between teams. So i guess in the Final if the two teams finish with 3:3 the winner is the one who actually wins that race No, that's a draw. 2 hours ago, kraftwerk said: Regarding the dead heat mentioned in the rule book, when was the last time riders split points? I've never seen a ref splitting points. It's rare indeed. I think I've seen 2 in 48 years! By comparison, I've seen 1 race where all 4 riders were excluded. And I believe deadheats are not "allowed" under FIM rules i.e. GPs, SWC, U21 etc. The referee has to declare a result even if the riders cross the line together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 With todays technology it should be straightforward to have reliable photo finish equipment in place to avoid any doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: With todays technology it should be straightforward to have reliable photo finish equipment in place to avoid any doubt We can't even "photo start" let alone finish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kraftwerk said: oh yes, i thought they were talking about a dead heat between teams. So i guess in the Final if the two teams finish with 3:3 the winner is the one who actually wins that race. NO Regulation 9.2 states that in the race-off heats and the Grand Final where it ends 3-3 the winner of the race is actually the loser. It is the second and third that win. This problem is inherent in a pairs event settled by single races rather than overall points score. And yet we are told that it is the TV people who need a deciding final. I bet the TV bods don't realise this gem of a rule they have been landed with and it's potential consequences. I know the 4320 scoring often used (but not here) has this effect and other pairs events run with the second and third winning, but really is that consistent with an event having a a deciding single race? I have certainly hated its use over the years. Surely any method where the guy that wins the Grand final may be deemed the loser of the championship, is bloody bonkers as a crescendo to a 4 day international tournament on TV, especially to outside viewers. Edited February 19, 2018 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 19.2.2018 at 5:45 PM, False dawn said: No, that's a draw. It's rare indeed. I think I've seen 2 in 48 years! By comparison, I've seen 1 race where all 4 riders were excluded. And I believe deadheats are not "allowed" under FIM rules i.e. GPs, SWC, U21 etc. The referee has to declare a result even if the riders cross the line together. Page 48 in the appendices book. Dead heats are still there and 3 years ago there was one in ice racing wc round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DutchGrasstrack Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Draw info: RACE OFF 1 (Teterow, Germany): Germany, Denmark, Russia, Slovakia, USA, Slovenia and Latvia. RACE OFF 2 (Manchester, Great Britain): Great Britain, Sweden, Czech Republic, France, Italy, Australia and Finland. FINAL 1 and 2 (Wroclaw, Poland): Poland, top three Race Off 1, top three Race Off 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Race off 1 looks good & interesting. Race off two looks dreadful & a forgone conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Why is Finland in Manchester and USA in Germany? Actually I have a pretty good guess, but wanted to ask out loud anyway. All the Americans are based in the UK, right? Lunna is the only Finn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 56 minutes ago, Noodles said: Race off 1 looks good & interesting. Race off two looks dreadful & a forgone conclusion. The whole thing looks a wash out IMO .Say what you want about WTC but it had its moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Noodles said: Race off 1 looks good & interesting. Race off two looks dreadful & a forgone conclusion. Rosco: Hold my clipboard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 2, 2018 Report Share Posted March 2, 2018 Still should be some decent riders on show Woffy Cook Lindback Lindgren Holder Doyle Milik Covatti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 On February 20, 2018 at 4:47 PM, f-s-p said: Page 48 in the appendices book. Dead heats are still there and 3 years ago there was one in ice racing wc round. There was one in the 2008 SWC, but the TV graphics could not cope with displaying the half point. So afterwards BSI decided they could not be awarded in their events,, even though they remained in the FIM rule books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, someone said: There was one in the 2008 SWC, but the TV graphics could not cope with displaying the half point. So afterwards BSI decided they could not be awarded in their events,, even though they remained in the FIM rule books. Sounds a bit stupid but what ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 23 hours ago, f-s-p said: Sounds a bit stupid but what ever. Well it is speedway! I would not be surprised if the main reason the winner of the SON final could end up being the losing team is because they needed something stupid to make up for the loss of the joker rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, someone said: Well it is speedway! I would not be surprised if the main reason the winner of the SON final could end up being the losing team is because they needed something stupid to make up for the loss of the joker rule. Just read the speedway of nations rulebook that was written in the past few months. Dead heats and shared points are there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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