racers and royals Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, semion said: Is Rosco stuck with Cook for the final ? Seems a waste to take Cook as a Number 2 only for Lambert to start. Might as well take young Bewley as the U21 rider, then if something happens with Wuffy at least you have a rider to throw in. Cook and his geaqr seems way of the pace at this level, so if a change can be made, why not make it ? It can`t be made unless injured or ill - which has to be accepted by the FIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Was Cook not Ill or injured last week ? If so that's an easy card to pull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Careful, you'll be taking the title away from ytsjam for ridiculous comment. In any other team sport what do you think the response would be if the commentators got the score wrong? There would rightly be an outcry. But, because we're dealing with speedway, among the more dimwitted people who follow it, it's okay. I am now convinced that you kept posting your witless 'we all make mistakes' rubbish because you were too stupid to actually follow the discussion. Now you make a cheap comment like this. We had another score error tonight, this time on BSI's graphics. Thankfully it was corrected. Getting the score wrong would not be accepted in any other sport, so why is it okay in speedway? Is it such a worthless sport that it doesn't matter? Regarding tonight overall, unsurprisingly the NSS and professional organisation made a silk purse out of this sow's ear and thankfully we had some good racing with the minor nations not being complete cannon fodder. The ridiculous failure of three nations top provide full teams thankfully didn't compromise the situation. i do hope we get a couple of good meetings at Wroclaw. I love the sport and don't want it to fail. but there are too many weaknesses in this 'second and third take all' format which could have an embarrassing finale in heat 43 on Saturday. Yes I love the sport, but the sheer pig-headed stupidity of some of the supporters drives me to despair sometimes. Anyway, to shut iainb up I'll save him some work. We all make mistakes We all make mistakes We all make mistakes We all make mistakes We all make mistakes We all make mistakes But not always on live TV when in front of thousands of people when you're paid well to be taking care not to make mistakes. I understand Nigel has apologised, and it's only right that he did. Apparently to some he doesn't need to get it right in future though.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Looked like a shockingly low crowd for the biggest international event in GB outside of Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Draw made for Friday and Saturday Friday Saturday A Australia A Australia B Poland B Russia C Germany C Poland D Denmark D Sweden E GB E Germany F Sweden F Denmark G Russia G GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Joker Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, Grand Central said: The object of the final and race off (under these rules) is to use any (legal) means possible to get one of your opponents into last place. That is it. Nothing else. Or force them not to finish/start at all, a technique Millik had rather wasted by using it perfectly in heat one. Anyone who has kept themselves free of warnings right to the final on Saturday would be well advised to use the 'green light bunny hop' Millik did last night in heat one to cause a tape touch from the opponent in the final and instantly win the tournament for his nation ! After 89 heats I really hope it isn’t all decided on a tapes infringement. You can understand the authorities wanting riders to be still at the start, but as we all like to see 4 riders in a race what are the drawbacks of having the 15m handicap rule for tape touching? Yes you would probably still come last, but not always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tactical Joker said: After 89 heats I really hope it isn’t all decided on a tapes infringement. You can understand the authorities wanting riders to be still at the start, but as we all like to see 4 riders in a race what are the drawbacks of having the 15m handicap rule for tape touching? Yes you would probably still come last, but not always. I hope so too. But the FIM make they rules, daft as they may be, and the competitors must obey them Winnings the final is NOT the primary requirement, as the rules are. Making one one your opponents score zero is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Looked like a shockingly low crowd for the biggest international event in GB outside of Cardiff. Manchester isn't an easy place to get to on a Tuesday night, surely a national stadium would've been better off being built in the middle of the country? To make it more accessible for all. Anyway, the bigger issue is probably that ticket prices apparently started at around £20 despite the meeting being on BT which I guess most speedway fans have anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted June 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, semion said: Is Rosco stuck with Cook for the final ? Seems a waste to take Cook as a Number 2 only for Lambert to start. Might as well take young Bewley as the U21 rider, then if something happens with Wuffy at least you have a rider to throw in. Cook and his geaqr seems way of the pace at this level, so if a change can be made, why not make it ? Edited June 6, 2018 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Perton Wolf said: Manchester isn't an easy place to get to on a Tuesday night, surely a national stadium would've been better off being built in the middle of the country? To make it more accessible for all. Anyway, the bigger issue is probably that ticket prices apparently started at around £20 despite the meeting being on BT which I guess most speedway fans have anyway. Now there is sadly no Brandon where do you suggest it be held that is closer to the middle of the country, neither Perry Barr nor Monmore are suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, semion said: Was Cook not Ill or injured last week ? If so that's an easy card to pull Are you Matt Ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Looked like a shockingly low crowd for the biggest international event in GB outside of Cardiff. It looked about half full. Not bad considering it was a Tuesday and far from cheap for tickets. Plus the lineup was uninspiring but a couple of the lesser lights did much better than expected in one or two races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Col said: Now there is sadly no Brandon where do you suggest it be held that is closer to the middle of the country, neither Perry Barr nor Monmore are suitable. There isn't anywhere really, that's the point. Agree that neither of those venues are suitable for an event like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Perton Wolf said: There isn't anywhere really, that's the point. Agree that neither of those venues are suitable for an event like this. What about Ipswich? It holds more than Belle Vue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, mickthemuppet said: What about Ipswich? It holds more than Belle Vue Could there anywhere less accessible in the country that has a Speedway track? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 Belle Vue is, by miles, the best venue now in the UK and all major events should be held there in the same way that all England football matches are held at Wembley. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 hours ago, BWitcher said: Aww diddums. Is that the best Woffy bashing you can come up with tonight? Telling like it is no diddums involved just shows his attitude to the fans on back straight who might just have clapped his efforts, wonder if was his influence in craig not being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 hours ago, Rob B said: 2 meetings with race offs etc to decide what was always obvious the 7 teams in final was going to be. No it wasn't at all. Germany was not an obvious call, and Australia could have blown it too, so I don't think it was obvious at all. But unless I missed it, did BT Sport explain the two meeting final? From what I can tell it seems to be points over two nights , if so what is the point of that? To make it more interesting, would it not be better to have the Friday night with the 7 teams and then the teams with the two lowest scores don't proceed to Saturday. The scores are then carried over to Saturday with the remaining 5 teams racing each other once, the bottom team is then out to leave 4 teams, they go again to race each other once (I think that's 27 races in total). The top two then race a final. If a team has a bad night on the Friday, 27 races might give them a chance to catch up on the Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Blue Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, keepturningleft said: Belle Vue is, by miles, the best venue now in the UK and all major events should be held there in the same way that all England football matches are held at Wembley. Apart from tomorrow.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheReturn said: To make it more interesting, would it not be better to have the Friday night with the 7 teams and then the teams with the two lowest scores don't proceed to Saturday. The scores are then carried over to Saturday with the remaining 5 teams racing each other once, the bottom team is then out to leave 4 teams, they go again to race each other once (I think that's 27 races in total). The top two then race a final. If a team has a bad night on the Friday, 27 races might give them a chance to catch up on the Saturday. Of course the danger with this is the home nation could exit on the Friday... but I was never a fan of home nations being seeded to a final anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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