World Championship Pairs

[racers and royals]

14 minutes ago, f-s-p said:

Cant make it.

Who is team managing Finland if you are not ??

[f-s-p]

Jyri Palomäki has been doing for about 10 years now.

[acef]

2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

THERE is a lot of utter rubbish spouted on here but this one probably takes the biscuit... congratulations

 

No probably about it. 

 

Those 2 take undue and unnecessary amounts of flak. I think they both do a terrific job. 

 

Granted, a couple of errors at the weekend of which Nigel instantly apologised using social media. Nicholls also made an error. 

 

Perhaps it's the farcical format that needs addressing and not the 2 who are their upmost for the sport. 

[acef]

On 6/2/2018 at 8:31 PM, salty said:

But they're doing their jobs wrong aren't they - or Nigel is anyway. Telling us before Heat 21 that Slovenia and Latvia were both out and Ukraine were in Heat 22. Keeping the score correct shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of the commentator should it?

Have you never made an error in your life? 

Or do you do everything absolutely perfectly, every single time? 

[salty]

Not the

6 minutes ago, acef said:

Have you never made an error in your life? 

Or do you do everything absolutely perfectly, every single time? 

Not the point. A professional sports presenter/commentator shouldn't be making such a basic error. Last day of the Football season when promotion/relegation scenarios are changing all the time the comms teams always seem to be on the ball. 

As it happens I think the Nige/Kelv partnership do a good job, but it was a bit of a ricket to not realise that Heat 21 still had a strong bearing on the meeting.

By the way tomorrow I will be on the mike for about an hour and a half hosting a presentation in front of about 150. No doubt I'll make a mistake at some point!

[INCOGNITO]

As an ex rider Kelvin should have noticed the mistake straight away as he has been in numerous meetings where he had to keep an eye on the score chart to know what is needed to secure qualifying for next round or winning the meeting. The fact they went on about it for about ten minutes was crazy.

 

The funniest thing in a way is had Latvia have gained a 3-3 by getting the minor places in heat 21 then Ukraine would have not only not qualified but would have finished bottom below both Slovenia and Latvia

[BWitcher]

1 hour ago, salty said:

Not the

Not the point. A professional sports presenter/commentator shouldn't be making such a basic error. Last day of the Football season when promotion/relegation scenarios are changing all the time the comms teams always seem to be on the ball. 

As it happens I think the Nige/Kelv partnership do a good job, but it was a bit of a ricket to not realise that Heat 21 still had a strong bearing on the meeting.

By the way tomorrow I will be on the mike for about an hour and a half hosting a presentation in front of about 150. No doubt I'll make a mistake at some point!

To be fair, the football comms team has the information supplied to them. Or you would see a lot more cock ups. Hence, in the past, before it was so easy to present commentators with data, there were a lot more mistakes made in live commentary.

Yes, Pearson and Tatum were wrong, but surely they should have someone on hand to provide them with the correct information and point out any errors they have made regarding scoring.

[Woz01]

Today's meeting should be a lot better. A super track and riders that have done well at BV in the past. Plenty of spoilers in Milik, Covatti, Bellego Lahti and Berge. 

[salty]

6 hours ago, BWitcher said:

To be fair, the football comms team has the information supplied to them. Or you would see a lot more cock ups. Hence, in the past, before it was so easy to present commentators with data, there were a lot more mistakes made in live commentary.

Yes, Pearson and Tatum were wrong, but surely they should have someone on hand to provide them with the correct information and point out any errors they have made regarding scoring.

To be fair the TV feed had the correct scores displayed, but I agree its daft that Pearson and Tatum are having to rely on their own scoring. I'm sure someone mentioned earlier in this thread that in the early days of Sky's coverage Bryn Williams used to make sure that Tony Millard was kept au fait with the permutations of the scorecharts.

[PHILIPRISING]

HAD huge respect for Tony Millard, a long time friend, but his gaffs were legendary, as has been the case with many high profile commentators, including Murray Walker over the years. 

An aside, Murray once had to comment on the Internationale at Wimbledon for the BBC. One camera in middle of the centre green alongside Murray with me there to help identify the riders ... speedway wasn't his strong point. We all went round in circles until we were dizzy. Believe me, things have got better!

Edited June 5, 2018 by PHILIPRISING

[Steve Shovlar]

9 hours ago, salty said:

Not the

Not the point. A professional sports presenter/commentator shouldn't be making such a basic error. Last day of the Football season when promotion/relegation scenarios are changing all the time the comms teams always seem to be on the ball. 

Because they have a raft of backroom staff throughing up graphics on monitors in front of the commentators. Tatum and Pearson have no such luxuries.

[waytogo28]

Today's the day! The SON could easily be transformed by the quality of the racing and the desire of the riders ( and possibly their knowledge of what Pairs racing is all about ). Fingers crossed that we all marvel later tonight and tomorrow. at having had more than a few glimpses of the the true excitement of what speedway can offer as a sport! That's Life, That's Speedway.

[cityrebel]

Well at Kent last night, I had a late start, an overwatered track, riders arriving late, numerous crashes, multiple reruns, air fence delays, a clueless start Marshall and a referee that had clearly lost the plot. I hope tonight runs a lot better.

[waytogo28]

11 minutes ago, cityrebel said:

Well at Kent last night, I had a late start, an overwatered track, riders arriving late, numerous crashes, multiple reruns, air fence delays, a clueless start Marshall and a referee that had clearly lost the plot. I hope tonight runs a lot better.

That's speedway UK style too! And is a big part of what has driven fans away in despair. Far too amateurish and mired in the 1950's which has dimmed my Love Affair with the sport for sure.

[OveFundinFan]

Its almost a certainty that the track tonight at BV will be a racing track, I am sure the lesson has been learnt for the Friday night WTC!  But the format will still be the same, and will we see team riding as its meant to be.  The sure certainty is that if Collins/Morton or Holder/Ward had been riding (plus others no doubt) we would be seeing team riding. But times have changed. If team riding is not done at league team level, its pretty sure it wont happen at international level.

[krompa]

Team riding? Any better than Tomasz Gollob slowing down Tommy Knudsen? 

 

[Aces High]

1 minute ago, krompa said:

Team riding? Any better than Tomasz Gollob slowing down Tommy Knudsen? 

Pure class that! Hopefully we will see riders helping their team mates out tonight instead of disappearing off into the distance.

Despite all the moaning on here I am really looking forward to going to this tonight.

[TheReturn]

13 hours ago, acef said:

Granted, a couple of errors at the weekend of which Nigel instantly apologised using social media.

But should a professional commentator be getting it wrong?   He repeats himself every few minutes, which defenders claim is to educate the non speedway masses following... well calling the score wrong (not first time) is not educating any of us, speedway fans or non speedway fans.

Can you image if this summers World Cup final commentator calls the World Cup final score wrong?  Or a few days prior to that miscounts the inevitable penalty shootout that plucky England will go out on?  I am not sure that commentator will be getting a big gig again anytime soon after.

Edit: The defence that he doesn't have a team of people helping him with the scores is bollocks. He's paid to get it right. We pay to be told the right scores.

Edited June 5, 2018 by TheReturn

[nw42]

7 minutes ago, Aces High said:

Pure class that! Hopefully we will see riders helping their team mates out tonight instead of disappearing off into the distance.

Despite all the moaning on here I am really looking forward to going to this tonight.

Me too, it's speedway on a brilliant track, the National team are competing, the weather poses no threat, what's not to like?  Sod the format & scoring mechanism, if enough riders are in the right frame of mind and fancy a burn up we are in for a treat, bring it on.

[acef]

27 minutes ago, TheReturn said:

But should a professional commentator be getting it wrong?   He repeats himself every few minutes, which defenders claim is to educate the non speedway masses following... well calling the score wrong (not first time) is not educating any of us, speedway fans or non speedway fans.

Can you image if this summers World Cup final commentator calls the World Cup final score wrong?  Or a few days prior to that miscounts the inevitable penalty shootout that plucky England will go out on?  I am not sure that commentator will be getting a big gig again anytime soon after.

Edit: The defence that he doesn't have a team of people helping him with the scores is bollocks. He's paid to get it right. We pay to be told the right scores.

People make mistakes. Professionals as well. To just say they can't make an error because they are professionals is totally unreasonable in my opinion. 

 

And the velocity of errors vary. Foul language for example shouldn't be tolerated, but minor errors such as Saturday night really shouldn't have people getting their knickers in a twist over.