BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Grand Central said: I commented on the lack of complaints about never having final race in the SWC. I was quite specific. I made no comment on the joker which we all know raised plentiful complaints. I was also quite specific. The topic is ensuring a meeting goes to the wire, or as close to for TV purposes. The joker was the system used in the World Cup to try and achieve that. There were massive complaints regarding it. Besides, you wouldn't get 'complaints' regarding run away meetings, just simply people turning off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Grachan said: Might that not give you a final where one team has already won the meeting? Yes it could but surely that is better than possibly one rider going up against an unbeatable to riders or one team going all through the event winning races only to suffer a engine failure in the final. Plus if one team is so far in front, will they be trying in the final heats and gifting a 5-1 to a weaker pairing (1 main rider plus one) could see their main opponents knocked out. Whichever way you look at it there are good and bad points to most ways but overall the Champions should be the highest scorers not those fortunate in the final four laps of a week long competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come on the Skipper Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Just a thought having re-watched the Denmark Slovenia race. Zagar outgated MJJ from gate 2 and sped off into the distance leaving Skorja to fend for himself but he was unable to make any inroads into the Danish pair. Maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable here but why couldn't Zagar, having outgated MJJ, have slowed MJJ on the first bend and allowed both Bjerre and Skorja to go outside him? This would have given Skorja a chance to choose his line with Zagar defending against MJJ. Even if MJJ passed either Zagar or Skorja the result would have been no different to how it finished but at least MJJ would have had to fight to get through. (Edited for punctuation) Edited June 4, 2018 by Come on the Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Come on the Skipper said: Just a thought having re-watched the Denmark Slovenia race. Zagar outgated MJJ from gate 2 and sped off into the distance leaving Skorja to fend for himself but he was unable to make any inroads into the Danish pair. Maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable here but why couldn't Zagar, having outgated MJJ, have slowed MJJ on the first bend and allowed both Bjerre and Skorja to go outside him? This would have given Skorja a chance to choose his line with Zagar defending against MJJ. Even if MJJ passed either Zagar or Skorja the result would have been no different to how it finished but at least MJJ would have had to fight to get through. (Edited for punctuation) I expect Zagar fancied a week off to prepare properly for Czestochowa on Sunday- rather than riding Friday/Saturday and then Sunday knowing Slovenia hadn’t a chance in Wroclaw lol Edited June 4, 2018 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 42 minutes ago, Come on the Skipper said: Just a thought having re-watched the Denmark Slovenia race. Zagar outgated MJJ from gate 2 and sped off into the distance leaving Skorja to fend for himself but he was unable to make any inroads into the Danish pair. Maybe I'm being a bit unreasonable here but why couldn't Zagar, having outgated MJJ, have slowed MJJ on the first bend and allowed both Bjerre and Skorja to go outside him? This would have given Skorja a chance to choose his line with Zagar defending against MJJ. Even if MJJ passed either Zagar or Skorja the result would have been no different to how it finished but at least MJJ would have had to fight to get through. (Edited for punctuation) Precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 11:19 AM, Ghostwalker said: I don't think there is a lack of tracks but lack of clubs being able to pay the fees that BSIä demands. I like it, I like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 3 hours ago, krompa said: What's the latest regarding Cookie? Will he ride? Or it is Tai + Lambo? Cook is riding, he has said he is ready to race. It was ridiculous of Rossiter to drop him. Even if you accept that Rossiter mistakenly thought Cook had a medical certificate for 7 days, rather than the automatic 7 day suspension he did have, it would have expired before the race day so mean we couldn't have brought in a replacement for him for illness or injury. There were only disadvantages to dropping Cook because if he doesn't do well he can be replaced by Lambert in any race but if he was dropped and Woffinden or Lambert weren't scoring or, were injured, we would have no reserve to put in. Fortunately, those now in charge of GB saw the stupidity of what had been done and quickly reversed the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Aces51 said: Cook is riding, he has said he is ready to race. It was ridiculous of Rossiter to drop him. Even if you accept that Rossiter mistakenly thought Cook had a medical certificate for 7 days, rather than the automatic 7 day suspension he did have, it would have expired before the race day so mean we couldn't have brought in a replacement for him for illness or injury. There were only disadvantages to dropping Cook because if he doesn't do well he can be replaced by Lambert in any race but if he was dropped and Woffinden or Lambert weren't scoring or, were injured, we would have no reserve to put in. Fortunately, those now in charge of GB saw the stupidity of what had been done and quickly reversed the decision. OK fair enough. From tactical point of view it would make sense to give Cookie and Lambo 2 rides each and then decide who is better for crucial races with Australia (heat 17) and Sweden (heat 20). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 2:18 PM, Humphrey Appleby said: (...) You therefore have to ask whether the price being asked, or the financial conditions being imposed are too great for those tracks. ...and the answer, in my opinion, is yes, the BSI/FIM are cutting their own throat by being too greedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 23 hours ago, iris123 said: (...) Honestly,is it not time to give up or say,we basically have no choice,this is as good as it is going to get. Nobody else wants to host the meetings......... Not for the money they are being asked to pay for hosting these meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Actually, it isn't the case that the individual World Championship is decided with a final. Each round may be, but there is no one-off race at the end and it is possible, and indeed has been the case, that the winner is decided before the last round even starts. So it is not an "essential" ingredient of speedway, a "must" to appeal to tv audiences. In fact, neither the WTC or the Grand Prix winners are decided this way. It will be just the pairs. Why? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, PolskiZuzel said: Not for the money they are being asked to pay for hosting these meetings Which is why I always laugh when people post here that the GP should be held in Pardubice instead of Prague,as if Pardubice have been waiting for years to be able to host one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, norbold said: Actually, it isn't the case that the individual World Championship is decided with a final. Each round may be, but there is no one-off race at the end and it is possible, and indeed has been the case, that the winner is decided before the last round even starts. So it is not an "essential" ingredient of speedway, a "must" to appeal to tv audiences. In fact, neither the WTC or the Grand Prix winners are decided this way. It will be just the pairs. Why? Very possibly because Armando C. hypnotised all the other FIM panel members into believing it was the best thing possible for bringing on the "lesser" nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Aces51 said: Cook is riding, he has said he is ready to race. It was ridiculous of Rossiter to drop him. Even if you accept that Rossiter mistakenly thought Cook had a medical certificate for 7 days, rather than the automatic 7 day suspension he did have, it would have expired before the race day so mean we couldn't have brought in a replacement for him for illness or injury. There were only disadvantages to dropping Cook because if he doesn't do well he can be replaced by Lambert in any race but if he was dropped and Woffinden or Lambert weren't scoring or, were injured, we would have no reserve to put in. Fortunately, those now in charge of GB saw the stupidity of what had been done and quickly reversed the decision. Thank goodness then that we do have these saner minds in charge of Team GB Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 5:35 PM, racers and royals said: Prize money for the comp(includes travel and hotels)in US Dollars y1st 20’000. -2nd 18’000. -3rd 16’000. -4th 14’000. -5th 12’000. -6th 11’000. -7th 10’000. -8th 4’500. –9th 4’500. -10th 4’000. -11th 4’000. -12th 3’500. -13th 3’500. -14th 3’500. –15th 3’500. -Total 132’000.- Can i suggest that at these pay rates it`s clear why we now have a pairs event with a young rider at reserve. - The SWC went from 5 riders down to 4 and now it`s down to 2 to split the money- the young reserve is happy to come along for the experience in most cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 4:41 PM, PHILIPRISING said: BUT he is in a studio. KT and NP have to speak non-stop for the duration because there are no breaks in the world feed coverage. Teterow is particularly testing because the commentary position is poor. In fact they cannot see riders coming off the fourth bend. And being outside it is very noisy plus having talk-back in one ear and the director in the other. .... ahhh, finally we have a convenient excuse for the screaming shouty monkey noises that eminates from his mouth!!.... He obviously doesn't realise he is shouting as he can't hear himself. And to think that all this time I thought it was him just being unprofessional and over hyping the action!!.... Apologies Nigel, how on earth could I have been so oblivious to the truth?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, ytsejam said: .... ahhh, finally we have a convenient excuse for the screaming shouty monkey noises that eminates from his mouth!!.... He obviously doesn't realise he is shouting as he can't hear himself. And to think that all this time I thought it was him just being unprofessional and over hyping the action!!.... Apologies Nigel, how on earth could I have been so oblivious to the truth?!! THERE is a lot of utter rubbish spouted on here but this one probably takes the biscuit... congratulations 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 hours ago, racers and royals said: Can i suggest that at these pay rates it`s clear why we now have a pairs event with a young rider at reserve. - The SWC went from 5 riders down to 4 and now it`s down to 2 to split the money- the young reserve is happy to come along for the experience in most cases. Gmaps says its 2703 km from Helsinki to Machester. Like you say, I’d do it. Jumping. For the Xperience. AND BACK via Wroclaw, with that bundle of dosh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Practice is at 12 noon tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 4, 2018 Report Share Posted June 4, 2018 Cant make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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