World Championship Pairs

[Hodgy]

Dreadful decision to change the WTC format for a Pairs event. What were they thinking? Poland were too dominant?  4 individual riders going for it will always deliver over 2 team riders content to sit 2nd & 3rd. They had a decent product, only essential was to ditch the ridiculous joker. 

[krompa]

Dimitri Berge seems to be carrying injury since May 21st Abensberg crash.

Anyone with knowledge if France can replace him (rules permitting)?

Or maybe he is fit and ready now?

 

 

Edited June 3, 2018 by krompa

[RobMcCaffery]

9 hours ago, iainb said:

We all make mistakes and as long as we learn from them that's good, to say huge commentary gaffe is just as ridiculous, I only pointed out your typo to illustrate how easy it is to make a mistake, nobody died, it's probably an indication of the interest in the speedway that was on offer that there's all this hysteria of a small gaffe. He made a mistake and acknowledged it, he'll make more mistakes as will we all, for people to suggest he should lose his job over it is just sick (and not good sick)

Supposing a surgeon messed up an operation he was undertaking on you or someone drove into you on a zebra crossingf. I think the 'we all make mistakes' rubbish would soon stop, eh?

The entire point I'm making is that this one should not have happened and of course should be prevented from happening again.

There I've made it as plain as possible. If you can't understand after all this then it's your problem. Yes we all make mistakes. Mine was talking to you, obviously.

"We all make mistakes" x 256

Edited June 3, 2018 by RobMcCaffery

[RobMcCaffery]

5 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

LINDGREN v Woffinden might just add to that ... might also attract a few Wolves fans who are missing seeing their former top two in live action.

One race, possibly two. Is that enough?

[RobMcCaffery]

43 minutes ago, Hodgy said:

Dreadful decision to change the WTC format for a Pairs event. What were they thinking? Poland were too dominant?  4 individual riders going for it will always deliver over 2 team riders content to sit 2nd & 3rd. They had a decent product, only essential was to ditch the ridiculous joker. 

Yes, I really can't see how Poland are going to be any less dominant. 

[phillipsr]

20 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said:

Yes, I really can't see how Poland are going to be any less dominant. 

Really? That Russian team suddenly looks alot stronger im not even sure id make the poles favourites and theres no way id say that if was the old system.. that said i still dont like this competition 

[oldtimer]

I didn't know the top two went straight through to the final, you would have thought Nigel would have reminded us.

[Grand Central]

29 minutes ago, phillipsr said:

Really? That Russian team suddenly looks alot stronger im not even sure id make the poles favourites and theres no way id say that if was the old system.. that said i still dont like this competition 

You could be right.

I will be cheering for GB nonetheless, as always.

But part of me still hopes that the Poles will storm it.

If certain people in power ended a world class competition because the Poles were deemed likely to win again.
And then set about creating an inferior bogus replacement competition structured so as to reduce the Poles' chance of winning
Then that deserves to fail.

 

[Gambo]

Unlikely, but possible?

Bearing in mind this is 2 days….

Team A score 12 x 3-3 (2^nd & 3^rd) = 36 points.

Team B score 10 x 5-1 + 2x 3-3 (1^st & 4^th against Team A) =56 points

Team A ‘win’ Heat 43 (2^nd & 3^rd) 39 total.

Team A ‘win’ Grand Final (2^nd & 3^rd) Total 42 points.

Team B (1^st & 4^th in the Final) Total 59 points!!

Team A lift trophy having never provided a heat winner!

[BWitcher]

2 minutes ago, Gambo said:

Unlikely, but possible?

Bearing in mind this is 2 days….

 

Team A score 12 x 3-3 (2^nd & 3^rd) = 36 points.

 

Team B score 10 x 5-1 + 2x 3-3 (1^st & 4^th against Team A) =56 points

 

Team A ‘win’ Heat 43 (2^nd & 3^rd) 39 total.

 

Team A ‘win’ Grand Final (2^nd & 3^rd) Total 42 points.

 

Team B (1^st & 4^th in the Final) Total 59 points!!

 

Team A lift trophy having never provided a heat winner!

 

But that Team won every race they were in.

It's meant to be a PAIRS, i.e a TEAM. Your team finishes when your last rider crosses the line. If one of your pair comes last, the other team has finished before you. Totally correct that should take precedence. It's not an alien concept and one used in other sports.

What is lacking these days is team riding sadly.

 

[Gambo]

2 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

But that Team won every race they were in.

It's meant to be a PAIRS, i.e a TEAM. Your team finishes when your last rider crosses the line. If one of your pair comes last, the other team has finished before you. Totally correct that should take precedence. It's not an alien concept and one used in other sports.

What is lacking these days is team riding sadly.

 

I wasn't passing judgement.  Just showing the possibility. 

[BWitcher]

Just now, Gambo said:

I wasn't passing judgement.  Just showing the possibility. 

Fair enough, the usual suspects whinging and moaning seem to be doing so, proclaiming it would never be seen in any other sport.. 

Interesting information you've provided. Similar to Mark Loram being World Champion without winning a GP.

[BWitcher]

If Lindback shows up surely Sweden are contenders? 

Of course he could be utterly abysmal as well.

[Grand Central]

You could go around and around on this one about what should take precendence; heat wins as against second/thirds.

I am personally firmly in favour of heat wins ... Speedway is about winning above everything else. But I do undertsand the arguments of the other camp.

I think one of the problems KT and NP faced in commentary is that they had to explain the version that they dont really believe in.
But that is what they have been given to work with ... so they over-compensated with blather.

Like it or not, the idea that second and third wins over the heat winner is a disaster to have for TV and a 'final decider'

It is just daft that we have got to this point and noone (that matters) seems to have noticed.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Grand Central

[New Yorker]

1 hour ago, phillipsr said:

Really? That Russian team suddenly looks alot stronger im not even sure id make the poles favourites and theres no way id say that if was the old system.. that said i still dont like this competition 

It's sort of strange how nobody is talking about Laguta. Yes, the competition wasn't the GP but he was very dominant. And if Emil can get off the line a little better they will be hard to beat.

[stevebrum]

3 hours ago, paulboy said:

They sounded ever so clear about it last night until Zagar popped up in heat 22!

As previously discussed even professionals are allowed to make mistakes.

2 hours ago, krompa said:

Dimitri Berge seems to be carrying injury since May 21st Abensberg crash.

Anyone with knowledge if France can replace him (rules permitting)?

Or maybe he is fit and ready now?

 

 

They should have redeclared then. No point in saying wrong doing now.

once declared you can’t change, as evidenced by the GB/Cook situation last week.

[Mark]

 

2 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said:

Supposing a surgeon messed up an operation he was undertaking on you or someone drove into you on a zebra crossingf. I think the 'we all make mistakes' rubbish would soon stop, eh?

The entire point I'm making is that this one should not have happened and of course should be prevented from happening again.

There I've made it as plain as possible. If you can't understand after all this then it's your problem. Yes we all make mistakes. Mine was talking to you, obviously.

"We all make mistakes" x 256

 

Why not be nice Rob or people will start thinking you are

 

adjective: pompous

1. 1.

   affectedly grand or self-important.     

[INCOGNITO]

This SPEEDWAY OF NATIONS has some creditable things going for it but also has a number of downfalls that need changing in my opinion and judging by a few posts I have flicked through, others seem to think likewise. 

 

TEAMS are based on three riders with the reserve being an under 21 rider which in principal is fine BUT if these countries want to take part they MUST send a team and not just two riders without any cover for injuries. They should also travel with a standby under 21 rider that can be bought in the next meeting if required to cover for any injury. 

 

It it was pretty pointless sending Greg Hancock out in a knockout heat against Slovenia when all they had to do was stay upright and keep moving but had they have had the standby Under 21 rider like Broc Nicol in attendance as reserve for the injured Luke Bekker then they can continue their quest for a place in the finals. 

 

KO STAGE should have scores carried over so should Team A be going into the final on 29 points against Team B on 26 points then Team B must get a 5-1 to win the title while Team A only require a second place. This means if they have a rider break down or be excluded for a fall, they still have the chance to win if the remaining rider can split the opposing pair. 

 

 

[waytogo28]

6 hours ago, Grand Central said:

It is just daft that we have got to this point and noone (that matters) seems to have noticed.

And that is what has been happening to speedway at all levels ( perhaps excepting Poland, although their lower divisions are often very poorly supported )

The club tribalism has been the saviour of the ExtraL. plus the huge piles of money from strange sources inc. public money.

And in Britain the last 20 years have been mismanaged to the point where a revival is unlikely - merely further decline awaits. Very little is thought through. Speedway has disappeared from public view in the UK, forgotten almost entirely by the sports media ( except for BT - Thank You! ). "Everybody makes mistakes " yes, but Every Time? And I don't mean P&T.

[Col]

Haven't been on the forum over the weekend, I was very disappointed with event 1.  The racing was pretty abysmal on a very dusty track and the knock out heats at the event were a total farce, with Manzares injured & no reserve to replace him, then the Danes celebrating a 3-3 via former GP riders keeping a virtual unknown in 4th was pretty poor from them.

Hopefully event 2 will be better, however it's pretty obvious which 3 teams will progress.  At least the format lends itself to making all heats interesting towards the end.

The final looks like a straight shoot out between the Poles & the Russians, with Denmark & Germany battling it out for 6th.

Edited June 4, 2018 by Col