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54 minutes ago, Garry1603 said:

If it's a 3-3 in the final, they should keep doing reruns until one team gains an advantage.

There is an easy solution, if it is a 3-3 in the final. The pair that has scored more points in total over the two days (42 heats) should then be the winners.

That would be a fair and acceptable tie-breaker. It would give the overall top point scoring pair something of a bonus going into the final, knowing that a 3-3 would give them the title, while the other pair with a lesser points total knows they have to beat their opponents in that final heat by 4-2 or 5-1 to win the championship.  

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9 minutes ago, Bavarian said:

There is an easy solution, if it is a 3-3 in the final. The pair that has scored more points in total over the two days (42 heats) should then be the winners.

That would be a fair and acceptable tie-breaker. It would give the overall top point scoring pair something of a bonus going into the final, knowing that a 3-3 would give them the title, while the other pair with a lesser points total knows they have to beat their opponents in that final heat by 4-2 or 5-1 to win the championship.  

So the final is not a winner takes all.

The guy that wins this final doesn't necessarily get top position in the podium

It is really just a final chance for the second places team to it, even if they were miles behind after forty two races and two days ...But only if they get a 4-2.I

I know that all makes some sort of sense here.

But On TV it will look way too complicated and contrived for the casual viewer.

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2 hours ago, Grand Central said:

Everyone understands that TV wants a decisive final race.

We are not stupid.

But a Grand Final that may easily end 3-3 is not consistent with that, is It?

So what is your solution to satisfy TV and fans.     Remember the WCP needs TV money.

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1 hour ago, Grand Central said:

Perhaps they have not had enough time to think these things through.

It has taken them months to get this far, after all.

It being such a small, unimportant matter ... Of just how the winner is decided.

Can't expect them to have that covered straight away.

No reason not to run the heat again until there is a winner. 

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14 minutes ago, Bavarian said:

There is an easy solution, if it is a 3-3 in the final. The pair that has scored more points in total over the two days (42 heats) should then be the winners.

That would be a fair and acceptable tie-breaker. It would give the overall top point scoring pair something of a bonus going into the final, knowing that a 3-3 would give them the title, while the other pair with a lesser points total knows they have to beat their opponents in that final heat by 4-2 or 5-1 to win the championship.  

You got it spot on Bavarian.After all the promises about a brave new world,all we get is a world version of a competition we already have running each year!!!

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In 2017, the two semi-finals of the European Pairs Ch'ship were held at Liberec (CZ) and Zarnovica (Slovakia), and the final was at Lonigo in Italy.

The following fifteen nations participated last year:

Team GB won the first semi-final, France and Denmark were the other two qualifiers from this round, while the Czech Republic, Germany, Romania, and Austria were eliminated.

Poland won the second semi-final, ahead of Russia and Latvia, who also qualified for the final. The Ukraine, Slovenia, Slovakia, and Bulgaria were eliminated.

Hosts Italy were seeded to the 2017 European Pairs Final at Lonigo, which was won by Poland, from Russia (2nd), France (3rd), Denmark (4th), Italy (5th), Great Britain (6th), and Latvia (7th).  

Just slightly changed so we have a two day final.Not sure why it has taken so long for all this when we have a European version anyway.And not sure how big this call for a world pairs is,when we also have the other pairs run by the other mob as well!!!:P

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16 minutes ago, Bavarian said:

There is an easy solution, if it is a 3-3 in the final. The pair that has scored more points in total over the two days (42 heats) should then be the winners.

That would be a fair and acceptable tie-breaker. It would give the overall top point scoring pair something of a bonus going into the final, knowing that a 3-3 would give them the title, while the other pair with a lesser points total knows they have to beat their opponents in that final heat by 4-2 or 5-1 to win the championship.  

 

5 minutes ago, Mark said:

No reason not to run the heat again until there is a winner. 

Pretty basic and fundamental rule in track racing is that when ever theres a tie for a top three position, theres a run off to determine which one is better.

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22 minutes ago, Grand Central said:

Well.

The SWC managed very well for over 15years without succumbing to the Grand Final pressure from TV.

The team with most points won.

And it seemed quite successful.

The SWC was very predictable, and will remain that way, while Poland have huge strength in depth.  There 2nd team could probably beat most other finailists.  At least 2 man teams will allow many countries to compete on a more level playing field.   Poland may still win it but it will not be as easy for them.    That must make better viewing for fans and TV.

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8 minutes ago, Mark said:

The SWC was very predictable, and will remain that way, while Poland have huge strength in depth.  There 2nd team could probably beat most other finailists.  At least 2 man teams will allow many countries to compete on a more level playing field.   Poland may still win it but it will not be as easy for them.    That must make better viewing for fans and TV.

You may be right on that.

But we were actually discussing the 'climax' element demanded by TV. Which the SWC managed without for many years producing exciting Speedway that came across brilliantly on TV and seemed to satisfy the media people as well as fans.

Of course by having a two day event the organisers are actually ensuring that the first meeting ends with no climax at all.

Which is strange if the TV people need it so much

 

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1 hour ago, kraftwerk said:

would like to see how they will decide which 15 countries are in. For sure there will have to be quali meeting to get for the race off? and who will already be waiting in the race off ... 

Top 15 in the rankings- don’t think there will be a qualifying meeting. In the SWC they have had 12 countries - so shouldn’t be a problem finding another 3

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29 minutes ago, willstaxi said:

Surly if there is a tie after 21 races  it must be a 2 man run off

 

Or the scoring for the final could be 3,2,1,1 which would get round the 2nd and 3rd just sitting there and blocking out the 4th rider. 

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1 hour ago, A ORLOV said:

Or the scoring for the final could be 3,2,1,1 which would get round the 2nd and 3rd just sitting there and blocking out the 4th rider. 

It's up to his partner to slow the race and help him get past his opponent(s). You shouldn't get any reward for finishing last in pairs racing.

It's not 'blocking out', it's called team riding which I believe was quite big in speedway once upon a time!

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11 hours ago, Grand Central said:

You may be right on that.

But we were actually discussing the 'climax' element demanded by TV. Which the SWC managed without for many years producing exciting Speedway that came across brilliantly on TV and seemed to satisfy the media people as well as fans.

Of course by having a two day event the organisers are actually ensuring that the first meeting ends with no climax at all.

Which is strange if the TV people need it so much

 

Bloody hell, do you ever stop moaning!

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