Grachan Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, oldtimer said: The bottom line is it was a stupid way to decide who won, if it was not a 5-1 or a 4-2 then the winner of the race should have been the team that won, just as stupid was a warning on the first day carrying on into the second day, they got rid of the joker in the old team event and have replaced it with two jokers. In this weeks Star Rob Painter says, "he wants to see speedway on the back pages of national newspapers and is working very hard to do that" If that's the case he can count himself lucky that the press currently ignore speedway as the headlines would have been. GREAT BRITIANS SPEEDWAY TEAM FINISH WITH MOST POINTS AND FINISH FIRST IN FINAL BUT LOSE THE COMPETITION." Not a great advert for the sports credibility is it? The GB team didn't finish first in the final. The first team to finish was Russia. Agree with the warnings. Thought that was too harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, oldtimer said: The bottom line is it was a stupid way to decide who won, if it was not a 5-1 or a 4-2 then the winner of the race should have been the team that won, just as stupid was a warning on the first day carrying on into the second day, they got rid of the joker in the old team event and have replaced it with two jokers. In this weeks Star Rob Painter says, "he wants to see speedway on the back pages of national newspapers and is working very hard to do that" If that's the case he can count himself lucky that the press currently ignore speedway as the headlines would have been. GREAT BRITIANS SPEEDWAY TEAM FINISH WITH MOST POINTS AND FINISH FIRST IN FINAL BUT LOSE THE COMPETITION." Not a great advert for the sports credibility is it? Great to think that the Red Tops might cover it. But they'd just go big on GB losing. And not a very catchy headline for any sports sub-editor to come up with ... I'd go for TAI-TANIC ... ICE-COOL RUSKIES SINK BRITS Edited June 14, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) Yes,i agree.Sports journalists would be used to that because I think both Cycling team and Cross country athletics etc all have to have a certain amount of team members finish in front of the other countries 4 or 5 and the winner of the race doesn't matter...that part isn't unique .In fact they would probably find the idea of one of the team going off on his own to win the race and leaving his team mate(s) to fend for him/themselves, stranger Edited June 14, 2018 by iris123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, PolskiZuzel said: The Rusko family were the organiser... of what ? SWC ? THE two meetings in Wroclaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 10 hours ago, BWitcher said: Your posts get worse and worse on this subject. But lets's engage in your fantasy world for a moment and assume that Tai did initially try and quickly gave up. Explain to me how it was in any way a good 'tactic' for Tai to chase the win. The win was irrelevant. By chasing it, Tai risked a greater chance of being excluded or falling which would have rendered any miraculous overtake of Sayfutdinov by Lambert irrelevant. Can you imagine the furore if Lambert had of got by Emil in the latter stages only for Tai to fall or be excluded in his chase of Laguta? Woffinden was obviously making sure that GB got the silver medal and celebrated his success afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 13 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: THE two meetings in Wroclaw Did the Rusko family set the prices and make decisions about what kind of tickets were made available? Perhaps the fan's revolt was about a disregard for them? Presumably they made big loss? Or, were the riders paid from a share of the profits - which lowered their returns? We will never understand the "politics" of speedway in Poland. Murky waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Reading the talk from GB and how they want to make the GB riders full time with more meetings for he riders including individual meetings for them, thinking down the line if all this comes to fruition will we be seeing a situation where when you become a full time GB rider the british leagues have to pay a fee to the GB set up to use it’s riders ? Just thinking allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, waytogo28 said: Did the Rusko family set the prices and make decisions about what kind of tickets were made available? Perhaps the fan's revolt was about a disregard for them? Presumably they made big loss? Or, were the riders paid from a share of the profits - which lowered their returns? We will never understand the "politics" of speedway in Poland. Murky waters. YES to the first part. Riders were paid prize money, as ever, by the FIM. Polish media and others suggesting that the name of the competition didn't suggest it was a World Championship ... have sympathy for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Reading the talk from GB and how they want to make the GB riders full time with more meetings for he riders including individual meetings for them, thinking down the line if all this comes to fruition will we be seeing a situation where when you become a full time GB rider the british leagues have to pay a fee to the GB set up to use it’s riders ? Just thinking allowed BIT pie in the sky me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: BIT pie in the sky me thinks Yea maybe just pondering the wording used by rob painter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 On 6/14/2018 at 5:59 PM, Grachan said: The GB team didn't finish first in the final. The first team to finish was Russia. Agree with the warnings. Thought that was too harsh. I always thought the winner of a race was the rider who finished first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I always thought the winner of a race was the rider who finished first. Not when it is a team competition.That can’t be too hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, iris123 said: Not when it is a team competition.That can’t be too hard to understand? Maybe they should just simply score the 'play off races' 4, 3, 2, 0 to make it crystal clear to the viewers and spectator's who wins?.... Edited June 15, 2018 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 2 hours ago, oldtimer said: I always thought the winner of a race was the rider who finished first. Correct. So now take your line of thinking to 'pair' or 'team'. Therefore, by your own argument, the winner of the race is the 'pair' or 'team' that finishes first. That was Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, mikebv said: Maybe they should just simply score the 'play off races' 4, 3, 2, 0 to make it crystal clear to the viewers and spectator's who wins?.... I'm waiting for words of wisdom along the lines of "If the scoring system had been 4,3,2,0 we'd have approached the final differently" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, BWitcher said: I'm waiting for words of wisdom along the lines of "If the scoring system had been 4,3,2,0 we'd have approached the final differently" Tell you what, they should just make it 3 for first, and no other points! GB would have won that way, and the strategy in the final would have been justified! Steve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Maybe they should just simply score the 'play off races' 4, 3, 2, 0 to make it crystal clear to the viewers and spectator's who wins?.... And to Tai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, BWitcher said: I'm waiting for words of wisdom along the lines of "If the scoring system had been 4,3,2,0 we'd have approached the final differently" I wonder ... You could have it spot on. Spelling it out like that may have actually been all that it needed for them to realise the best tactics. I bet it would have made them think it WAS different. If only the riders had a group of people around them to help. Edited June 16, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, Grand Central said: If only the riders had a group of people around them to help. Or perhaps a bigger group? Barely into double figures? I bet Poland had 30 there. I should think that riders need a minimum of four "backroom staff" each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 14 hours ago, oldtimer said: I always thought the winner of a race was the rider who finished first. Your post didn't say about the winner of the race, it mentioned the team that finish first. The team that finished first was Russia as there was still a GB rider who hadn't finished when Russia had all crossed the line. The winner of the race was Tai. The team that finished first was Russia. Not the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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