Hamish McRaker Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 4 hours ago, iainb said: Somebody should take a leaf out the the journalists book that asked Max Verstappen "Why do you keep crashing?" at this weeks F1GP, he may not choose to answer but it's the question most people are asking. I look forward to the serious journalistic questions being asked tonight and in the Speedway Star. Can you imagine the scrutiny the Poles would come under if it was them. It also makes a bit of a mockery of all of the effort that is now going into the GB Speedway Team if at the end of the day a rider is not even going to try and win, be that the riders decision deliberately or due to lack of information or the managers decision I think we might have to wait for Rosco's book before we know the real answer to this baffling mystery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, BWitcher said: The key difference is, Laguta would have known, Lambert wasn't passing Emil 9999 times out of 1000 bar any mechanical failure. AGREE. GB didn't lose it, Russia won it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: AGREE. GB didn't lose it, Russia won it. Well that makes all the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: AGREE. GB didn't lose it, Russia won it. Making progress.. Now when you figure out WHY they won, you might then figure out where GB went wrong. Here's a clue.. winning the race didn't win it for them.. because, as we know, they didn't even win it. Edited June 11, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: The usual Stevebrum.. post something, then deny it.. oblivious to the fact it can easily be quoted. You are quite right about my style of posting, simply because I only post about things I either know I'm right on or strongly believe I am... something you should try some time. The difference between us is when I am shown to be wrong, I apologise, learn and move on...not try and deny what I said. There was nothing to deny. You read what you want in a post as per usual. We simply don’t know what Rosco or the team said we had to do in the final. It certainly seems obvious to everyone else what we had to do. id rather give some the benefit of the doubt instead of being pompous like you. We’ve seen so many instances of you ‘strongly believe I am’ right by constantly harbouring the point in a relentless manner. Thankfully we are all different and not all of us have to believe what we know is right. Thankfully I don’t need to be that important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Making progress.. Now when you figure out WHY they won, you might then figure out where GB went wrong. Here's a clue.. winning the race didn't win it for them.. because, as we know, they didn't even win it. BECAUSE their two riders were better than ours ... taking the two together. Their tactic (as we know from Emil) was that he would secure third and once he passed Lambert that was effectively secured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, PHILIPRISING said: BECAUSE their two riders were better than ours ... taking the two together. Their tactic (as we know from Emil) was that he would secure third and once he passed Lambert that was effectively secured. So the Russian tactic was to 'secure' third. Why? Because that would win them the meeting. Why wasn't Britains tactic the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: So the Russian tactic was to 'secure' third. Why? Because that would win them the meeting. Why wasn't Britains tactic the same? IT probably was but as well as Lambert had done, right now he isn't in Emil's class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: IT probably was but as well as Lambert had done, right now he isn't in Emil's class. Do you think so, really ? Everything points to that NOT being the plan. If there was one at all. Tbh I think they were just going to 'try their best' from the start and see what came of it. No plan for the getting a Russian to the back specifically at all. Edited June 11, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: IT probably was but as well as Lambert had done, right now he isn't in Emil's class. Of course he isn't in Emil's class. We all know that. Hence he needed help. So you've told us once Emil got ahead of Lambert, Lambert wasn't going to repass him on his own. So at that point, Britain have lost. We have two choices at this stage.. chase Laguta and lose. Or try and slow Emil to give Lambert and chance and although still likely lose, we have a chance of winning. Yet you continually advocate taking the guaranteed losing option. Staggering! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 YES I do. We will never know but had Lambert held off Sayfutdinov's early thrust Woffinden would most likely have held back to try and help him. But that is a very different scenario to what happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Blimey. We are not getting an inch closer on this are we ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Of course he isn't in Emil's class. We all know that. Hence he needed help. So you've told us once Emil got ahead of Lambert, Lambert wasn't going to repass him on his own. So at that point, Britain have lost. We have two choices at this stage.. chase Laguta and lose. Or try and slow Emil to give Lambert and chance and although still likely lose, we have a chance of winning. Yet you continually advocate taking the guaranteed losing option. Staggering! THIS is where we differ and I have spoken to riders about this. Slowing Emil down on a track like Wroclaw, so wide with many racing lines, is a huge ask and throughout Saturday it didn't look as though Robert was as fast as he was on Friday. Russia had a rehearsal in Heat 19 (think that was it) and would have been buoyed by that. The consensus I have got is that if Tai had slowed down Emil would have passed him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, PHILIPRISING said: THIS is where we differ and I have spoken to riders about this. Slowing Emil down on a track like Wroclaw, so wide with many racing lines, is a huge ask and throughout Saturday it didn't look as though Robert was as fast as he was on Friday. Russia had a rehearsal in Heat 19 (think that was it) and would have been buoyed by that. The consensus I have got is that if Tai had slowed down Emil would have passed him. Perhaps. But yet again it wouldnt have mattered. It was worth the very very small chance of success even if it ended as a 5-1 against. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Of course he isn't in Emil's class. We all know that. Hence he needed help. So you've told us once Emil got ahead of Lambert, Lambert wasn't going to repass him on his own. So at that point, Britain have lost. We have two choices at this stage.. chase Laguta and lose. Or try and slow Emil to give Lambert and chance and although still likely lose, we have a chance of winning. Yet you continually advocate taking the guaranteed losing option. Staggering! YOU have already said that it would have taken an Emil ef and if that had happened it wouldn't have mattered where Tai was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: YOU have already said that it would have taken an Emil ef and if that had happened it wouldn't have mattered where Tai was No, I have said it would have taken an Emil ef with no help. With help, although still very unlikely, he would have had a chance. Are you claiming in all your years of watching speedway you've never seen a team mate slow a race down to allow his partner to get through? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, BWitcher said: No, I have said it would have taken an Emil ef with no help. With help, although still very unlikely, he would have had a chance. Are you claiming in all your years of watching speedway you've never seen a team mate slow a race down to allow his partner to get through? Seriously? In fairness, I've watched many meetings at the old & the new track & was there Friday & Saturday. Trouble is if Tai had slowed it down, I believe the speed that Emil can generate he would have gone passed Tai, just my honest opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THIS is where we differ and I have spoken to riders about this. Slowing Emil down on a track like Wroclaw, so wide with many racing lines, is a huge ask and throughout Saturday it didn't look as though Robert was as fast as he was on Friday. Russia had a rehearsal in Heat 19 (think that was it) and would have been buoyed by that. The consensus I have got is that if Tai had slowed down Emil would have passed him. Strange how your consensus says one thing, the consensus on here says the other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Dear god, some of you need to get out more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, BWitcher said: No, I have said it would have taken an Emil ef with no help. With help, although still very unlikely, he would have had a chance. Are you claiming in all your years of watching speedway you've never seen a team mate slow a race down to allow his partner to get through? Seriously? OF course I have. But not when it is Emil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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