PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Yes I would of replAced an out of form GP rider with the EL top dog, makes sense. And start them both in every race with Bewley as reserve if anything went wrong. lambert has been flying all season and should of joined Tai from the start without a doubt BUT GB got to the Final with the most number of points. Didn't make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. Mind you, these were not just 'perceived' attempts to stop them winning dreamt up by particularly over sensitive Poles. This had been most informed people's (correct) opinion worldwide since the idea of a SWC replacement was first mooted. You are not being paranoid if folk really ARE out to get you. But whether this was REALLY the reason why thousands upon thousands of individual Poles did not attend ... I somewhat doubt that will be the case. It still remains the truth that ahead of the events the public was not won over by what seemed a very dubious competition . This was true in England, Germany AND Poland. In fact there was not a place on earth that could have got a good crowd for it especially at the prices being charged. The real blame still lies with BSI and the FIM Now the final was seen to be so brilliant things may be very different next time. The superb action provided by the riders ... that has saved so many people from having to do a lot more explaining of their failures in strategy and organisation. Armando and Torben should go down on bended knee to ALL the riders for that. Edited June 11, 2018 by Grand Central 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. My polish friends say the price of tickets was reason, sounds very familiar, if you read the polish speedway page on Facebook, price is a big factor Edited June 11, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Yes I would of replAced an out of form GP rider with the EL top dog, makes sense. And start them both in every race with Bewley as reserve if anything went wrong. lambert has been flying all season and should of joined Tai from the start without a doubt It's 'have' not 'of.' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) Noticed during after match interview Cook forgot to wear his Team Silver Medal.Hope he doesn't get a fine for being unprofessional. Edited June 11, 2018 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, adonis said: try standing on your hands for a few minutes .It might help I reckon you were stood on your head violently at birth for a few minutes but it certainly hasnt helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pinny said: Its Nitpickingtosser not foamfence !!! It's not Its. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Just now, Pinny said: Its Nitpickingtosser not foamfence !!! There's no need for that kind of remark, if you made a better job of your posts people might give you more respect and accept your points....... Then again maybe you don't want that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 The way it was, with GB best under 21 rider at reserve, it gave GB the greatest flexability, Tai was likely to be riding well (but there again who would have thought Majic, Dudek, Emil would not have been at their best), Cook may have found his form, but in case either of them faltered (and Cook did) then GB had a on form reserve. The alternative suggested has been Tai and Lambert in the team with (under 21) Bewley at reserve. Had Tai or lambert had a poor day, or fell and injured (like Hukenberg) then would Dan be able to rise to the occasion? Lets face it, he is brilliant considering he not been riding too long, but at a senior world championship level - he would be very vulnerable. So, its my opinion, the team selection was correct, and the way the reserve was used was also correct. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. THE irony is less money into the coffers of the Polish authorities and less support for their national team. Bit of an own goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Grand Central said: But whether this was REALLY the reason why thousands upon thousands of individual Poles did not attend ... I somewhat doubt that will be the case. It still remains the truth that ahead of the events the public was not won over by what seemed a very dubious competition . This was true in England, Germany AND Poland. In fact there was not a place on earth that could have got a good crowd for it especially at the prices being charged. CORRECT but, of course, the more people talk it down the more indoctrinated the public become. Personally think the two-day event, while it has some merits, is expensive for the public especially if they come from far and wide and require overnight accommodation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 hours ago, nw42 said: I don't see speedway in the same limited ways as many here. "Oh he's just being nasty" No I'm not, I'm offering my own version of insight and trying to make people think, which is a petty thankless job in this forum. There is why you're considered 'nasty' (your word not mine), because you frequently put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else on the forum. For the record I don't consider you nasty. 3 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Ironically the best team racing over the four meetings came from the British pair. Woffinden's rewards for probably his most impressive and mature display to date? Top scorer. Team top scorers. Winner of the grand final. No gold medal. Superb reward eh? No gold medal for one very simple reason, he didn't team ride in the grand final, the most important race of the night. You're right that best team riding over all four meetings was Team GB, something Holder pointed out on Twitter. But the problem is when it really, really mattered Tai chased the win, didn't look to see how Robert was doing until that final bend. I still don't know though if Tai thought the team with the most points won, if that was the case then I fully understand his chasing the win. But, otherwise, his tactics in that final race are exactly why he didn't get gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) On 6/9/2018 at 8:06 PM, New Science said: Still think the Brits are favourites if they get to the final. Only Woffinden will have the nous to let Laguta / Doyle go and ride with his partner to avoid last place Well I got that one wrong didn't I . Even Woffindens most dedicated fans will admit he made a mistake in the final. Over 2 days he has always looked after, cajoled and helped Robert Lambert out. Unfortunately in the final heat Lambert was on Emil's back wheel coming into the last lap and needed Tai to try and clamp or run Emil wide to give an opportunity for Robert to go round the outside of cut back up the inside. Robert was not adrift he just needed some help from his teammate to pass a world class rider. Surely Tai was aware that first place was irrelevant , it was only last place that really mattered. Edited June 11, 2018 by New Science 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE heard from what I consider to be a very reliable source in Poland this morning that there was a concerted campaign in the media, on websites and from team manager Marek Cieslak for Polish fans to boycott the event in protest at what they perceived to be attempts by the FIM to stop Poland from winning by changing the format of the SWC to the SON. So perhaps the way forward is to resume SwC next year as a one-off event, held in Poland. The teams to be Poland A, Poland B, Poland C and Poland D. That should make them happy. The rest can get on and have an improved version of SoN, not held in Poland, but they can send a team if they wish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, New Science said: Even Woffindens most dedicated fans will admit he made a mistake in the final. Apparently not though... I've had an opportunity to look at the final race again and can see that Woffy didn't look back for his partner once until the 4th bend of the 4th lap. We'll probably never know the reason why he did this as anybody that legitimately asks the question is tagged as a "keyboard warrior". Someone did ask Tai the question on Twitter, admittedly not in the best way and got shot down by everybody that worships the water Tai walks on 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, TheReturn said: There is why you're considered 'nasty' (your word not mine), because you frequently put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else on the forum. For the record I don't consider you nasty. No gold medal for one very simple reason, he didn't team ride in the grand final, the most important race of the night. You're right that best team riding over all four meetings was Team GB, something Holder pointed out on Twitter. But the problem is when it really, really mattered Tai chased the win, didn't look to see how Robert was doing until that final bend. I still don't know though if Tai thought the team with the most points won, if that was the case then I fully understand his chasing the win. But, otherwise, his tactics in that final race are exactly why he didn't get gold. I think you may have mistakenly placed part of Mr High & Mighty's post and attributed it to me, be a good chap and correct things if you don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Grand Central said: Armando and Torben should go I do agree with that part. Armando and Torben should go. We will never know how much the SON lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 If they want to do it over 42 heats why not do it on the same day. Start one at 12 and the second at 7pm and during the break get the track done and ready for the evening as the base holds up well and the main work would be getting the starting gates level. Poland is really the only place now to hold big finals and Belle Vue is fine for a qualifier but unless Germany can provide better than Tetrow and grass banks it should be given to countries that can provide the stadiums like Sweden or Vojens, Denmark. Points should be be carried forward to the race offs with bigger points on offer in the final, maybe 5-3-2-0 giving a team chance to gain six points with a 8-2 while the leading country can just go for the race win as GB did to secure their advantage. In this scenario, Russia would have needed a 7-3 to win the title. Also take away the age restriction for reserves in a pairs event. In the SWC it's fine to have a under 21 but too much pressure or importance is put on reserves in this format and really only Poland, Britain and Russia had creditable reserves of the standard to be in a World Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Anyway it was a good competition and I’m just happy that there was happiness in every team and everyone was getting along nicely 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 8:58 PM, PHILIPRISING said: CANNOT believe people are criticising Tai after that performance It seems you as Managing Editor of the Speedway Star has an agenda. Virtually everyone is singing off the same hymn sheet accept you. I won't insult your intelligence Phil but if you can't see and can't admit as good as Tai Woffinden was in that tournament that he made a mistake in the Final then words escape me. Can see from your posts that you want Rosco removed but continuing with this "Woffinden couldn't help Lambert in the final" narrative isn't doing your reputation as a speedway journalist much cop 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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