World Championship Pairs

[Bagpuss]

I'm sure a conversation was had between Tai and Robert before the final about what to do if one of them was last during the race. They did enough team riding throughout the tournament to be given the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately some posters see things either in black and white with no grey at all, and others will dislike Tai whatever he does forevermore. He has been absolutely immense this week and deserves enormous credit, as do the whole team 

The best thing about tonight was seeing our lad's disappointment on the podium.....far better that than being pleased to be there and happy with second. The future is very, very bright.

The arguments about the format and the need for a false climax are for another day.

[Grachan]

1 hour ago, lucifer sam said:

Fantastic performance by Great Britain - proud of them, but so disappointed at the same time.

So close but so far.  I think Woffy did the right thing in the final.  Lambert was racing the inside line, and any attempt to slow Emil would have simply shut off any chance for Lambert to make the pass.

He's done enough laps of Wroclaw to know when it's got so slick that team riding simply won't work.  At it was, he did more to team-ride than any other rider.

There were heroes.  Woffy with 38 points out of 39, and Lambert racing his hear out.  What a race to beat Magic!

Much more optimistic about the future than I've been for ages.

 

 

Will you stand by that opinion if it turns out that Rosco instructed Tai to go all out for the win, Rob?

[stevebrum]

2 hours ago, Jacques said:

OMG. Thank you Tai, you haven't just restored my faith in British Speedway, you've restored my faith in you.... Stunning, just stunning! 

Well said Jacques. Makes you proud to be a Brit with a performance like that.

2 hours ago, BWitcher said:

Why?

It's pretty clear he has little influence now.

Tai has brought about the changes, things are being done how he suggested... and look at the difference.

 

Rosco admitted it on Tuesday he has nothing to do anymore! Without Tai and the new regime nothing would have changed.

2 hours ago, Orbiter said:

The facts remain no Tai no Team GB 

There will always be a Team GB, just a useless one without a Tai in.

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Whatever happens now we can be proud of GB. Not often we have had the opportunity to say that.

Well said Steve.

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

One more year for Lambert nd 2 for Bewley and we can go all the way.

Absolutely Steve, the future is very bright. Particularly with the likes of Kemp making big strides in his first season and also the Thompson Twins next season. Huge potential and cutting out the dead wood next season onwards. No offence to Cook.

2 hours ago, 40-38 said:

Tai had four laps to try and help Robert pass Emil. It would have been better to lose 5-1 trying to do that than lose 4-2 while he clears off.

I thought that was the point of pairs riding?

There was no better team rider over the 2 days and you want to criticise one race? Barmy.

2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

CANNOT believe people are criticising Tai after that performance

Me neither. Any chance for the Woffy bashers to have a go. All praise one minute then the full blame the next. Total nonsense. Rider of the tournament. No question.

Edited June 9, 2018 by stevebrum
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[Jacques]

10 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I'm sure a conversation was had between Tai and Robert before the final about what to do if one of them was last during the race. They did enough team riding throughout the tournament to be given the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately some posters see things either in black and white with no grey at all, and others will dislike Tai whatever he does forevermore. He has been absolutely immense this week and deserves enormous credit, as do the whole team 

The best thing about tonight was seeing our lad's disappointment on the podium.....far better that than being pleased to be there and happy with second. The future is very, very bright.

The arguments about the format and the need for a false climax are for another day.

Exactly.

 

Good to have you back to your rightful name too .......

[Hamish McRaker]

It is obvious that he (Woffinden) doesn't like Rossiter and returned to the fold despite his continued prescence as team manager. In the end, Woffinden chose to do his own thing and you could say that after what he had done up until then, he was justified in taking that approach. He must have known that Lambert would not get past Emil, and consoled himself with some well deserved personal limelight, and also knowing that Rossiter would not be a World Championship winning manager.

[Dave the Mic]

Interesting to read all the comments but for those who think Tai Wiffindrn was making it all about him, I think you’re doing him a huge disservice.

He decided not race for the team as it was being run poorly, with no direction and seemingly no future. He made his feelings clear in what was needed to make the team successful and when it wasn’t forthcoming he stood by his beliefs and stepped down.

To his credit, however, he stayed with it and worked to get put in place what he felt was required and eventually this was achieved so he returned to the fold. Look at the difference, it’s plain to see. Investment in the future, training, conditioning, diet, togetherness and other things too. The first step was that silver medal tonight.

Never mind what has been done behind the scenes, he has also contributed massively on track. Team GB wouldn’t have got through the race off without Woffenden, much less topped the scores and managed a silver medal. What he has done for the national team is immense this week, an inspiration. And he was as gutted as anyone with silver and not gold. 

His attempts at team riding with Robert were laudable and heartening to see - the only real example of the art all week. In that final, they were up against a very, very strong pair who both scored well all night.

Team riding is very difficult to master, add in a wide fast track with different racing lines and the opponent being a big hearted, ballsy, brave, savvy racer like Emil and I’m not sure “slowing him down” would have been that easy. Easy to criticise on a keyboard, a little different on track.

Give the guy some credit, he performed miracles for his country tonight and all week, but some of you can’t bring yourselves to praise him without a dig. I don’t agree with the fact that he doesn’t race in the UK, nor was I impressed when he stood down from Team GB, however, what he has done on and off track suggests to me he wants the best for the team and if he felt there was a way to have won that final, my guess is he would have tried it.

Some of you know different, of course.

[Grachan]

6 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

It is obvious that he (Woffinden) doesn't like Rossiter and returned to the fold despite his continued prescence as team manager. In the end, Woffinden chose to do his own thing and you could say that after what he had done up until then, he was justified in taking that approach. He must have known that Lambert would not get past Emil, and consoled himself with some well deserved personal limelight, and also knowing that Rossiter would not be a World Championship winning manager.

So Woffy deliberately made sure GB lost the final to ensure Rosco didn't win the tournament? Is that your theory?

[Dave the Mic]

8 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

It is obvious that he (Woffinden) doesn't like Rossiter and returned to the fold despite his continued prescence as team manager. In the end, Woffinden chose to do his own thing and you could say that after what he had done up until then, he was justified in taking that approach. He must have known that Lambert would not get past Emil, and consoled himself with some well deserved personal limelight, and also knowing that Rossiter would not be a World Championship winning manager.

Sorry, but that’s bullsh1t

[Dave the Mic]

23 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

I'm sure a conversation was had between Tai and Robert before the final about what to do if one of them was last during the race. They did enough team riding throughout the tournament to be given the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately some posters see things either in black and white with no grey at all, and others will dislike Tai whatever he does forevermore. He has been absolutely immense this week and deserves enormous credit, as do the whole team 

The best thing about tonight was seeing our lad's disappointment on the podium.....far better that than being pleased to be there and happy with second. The future is very, very bright.

The arguments about the format and the need for a false climax are for another day.

Spot on.

[Dave the Mic]

55 minutes ago, orion said:

Why ? thou he's  done great for himself this week I have seldom a rider do so little for his country before hand ..one day your understand it's all about himself .

The like race sum him up in a nutshell 

Really? Yawn. Another Tai hater. Without him, we wouldn’t have even got past the race off.

[orion]

1 minute ago, Dave the Mic said:

Interesting to read all the comments but for those who think Tai Wiffindrn was making it all about him, I think you’re doing him a huge disservice.

He decided not race for the team as it was being run poorly, with no direction and seemingly no future. He made his feelings clear in what was needed to make the team successful and when it wasn’t forthcoming he stood by his beliefs and stepped down.

 

That is a matter of opinion ..Woffy gave out loads  of reasons why he never rode etc etc  they changed every week ...one of them is that he wanted to go on holiday in world cup week  ..as has been pointed out if he stood by his beliefs  how comes after not in the  riding world cup he somehow wanted to ride in the world games a few weeks later so nothing had changed ? 

[WalterPlinge]

2 minutes ago, Dave the Mic said:

Really? Yawn. Another Tai hater. Without him, we wouldn’t have even got past the race off.

Erm.. there wasn't a race-off.  

[Dave the Mic]

Just now, WalterPlinge said:

Erm.. there wasn't a race-off.  

So what happened at Belle Vue? That was Race off 2

[Jacques]

8 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

It is obvious that he (Woffinden) doesn't like Rossiter and returned to the fold despite his continued prescence as team manager. In the end, Woffinden chose to do his own thing and you could say that after what he had done up until then, he was justified in taking that approach. He must have known that Lambert would not get past Emil, and consoled himself with some well deserved personal limelight, and also knowing that Rossiter would not be a World Championship winning manager.

Funny, well, not really. Are you really that deluded to think that Tai, deliberately played the, 'get rid of Rossiter card'?

 JFC. That's a new one. 

Rossiter signed his own P45 when he spoke at Belle Vue. If the Great Britain team is to move forward, it should be without him. He really isn't fit for purpose, nice bloke ( apparently) but now, just a hanger on!

[Dave the Mic]

1 minute ago, orion said:

That is a matter of opinion ..Woffy gave out loads  of reasons why he never rode etc etc  they changed every week ...one of them is that he wanted to go on holiday in world cup week  ..as has been pointed out if he stood by his beliefs  how comes after not in the  riding world cup he somehow wanted to ride in the world games a few weeks later so nothing had changed ? 

Change the record. You don’t like him, that much is obvious.

[Hamish McRaker]

1 hour ago, Grachan said:

So Woffy deliberately made sure GB lost the final to ensure Rosco didn't win the tournament? Is that your theory?

No

[orion]

1 minute ago, Dave the Mic said:

Change the record. You don’t like him, that much is obvious.

Just answer the question ..you made big statement now back it up ...maybe when you sober up tomorrow ?

[Eduds1]

5 minutes ago, orion said:

That is a matter of opinion ..Woffy gave out loads  of reasons why he never rode etc etc  they changed every week ...one of them is that he wanted to go on holiday in world cup week  ..as has been pointed out if he stood by his beliefs  how comes after not in the  riding world cup he somehow wanted to ride in the world games a few weeks later so nothing had changed ? 

Are you really that boring.

[WalterPlinge]

2 minutes ago, Dave the Mic said:

So what happened at Belle Vue?

In our round, Sweden and GB qualified straight for the final.   Australia came through what you could call the  race-off heats for best losers.   There wasn't a Friday race-off meeting as in the SWC.  Friday and Saturday were both the final.

[Bald Bloke]

Someone fecked up in the final..Rosco or Tai. I don't know.Tai was the  breasts and rider of the SON no doubt. But imho it went wrong in the final.

Edited June 9, 2018 by Bald Bloke