Star Lady Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 10 hours ago, iainb said: All you moaners should try and keep talking positively for 3 hours... I expect the commentators to keep me informed. They didn't make clear that Karpov's warning lasted the whole meeting, even after he was excluded. They mucked the scores up and until long after it was mentioned on here didn't allude to the fact that USA could not progress following Manzares injury. Less repetition would be good, tho apparently that is at the producers behest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Like someone else said, it made even One Sport's pairs events look good and I never thought I'd ever say that! Spot on absolutely, I was amazed to have even thought so, which illustrates what a borefest it was. But Ta Ra! I salute you all posters for the best entertainment on here for ages! Truly, Well Done One and All. Far more entertaining than the meeting. It's all pointless until the last race of the 2nd day of the Final. Unbelievable! If this is the best that Armando C. can lead the FIM to, the sport is really down the pan. There should at least be a bonus point for the race winner to add to the counting, when it comes to crunch time. Edited June 3, 2018 by waytogo28 Additional point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 I'm glad I recorded this and watched it when I got home from Berwick, after four heats I was bored and ready to switch off if I'd been watching live I'd probably have been channel hopping. There where a couple of decent heats but not an awful lot too get excited about Ionly hope Tuesday is an improvement . I fast forwarded through all the drivel so never really heard Stadler & Waldorf get confused about the scores , deleted it straight away after watching it certainly not a meeting I'd want to se again. Watched the far more IOM TT highlights afterwards so at least some of tv viewing was enjoyable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 NOT the best start, I must admit, but hopefully;y there will be far better racing at the NSS on Tuesday and then again in Wroclaw. The worst possible scenario, of course, is that after nearly 100 races we get to the final, Joe Bloggs is excluded for a tapes offence, and the two opposition guys ride round waving to the crowd knowing they cannot be beaten.What an anti-climax that would be. No doubt there will be a comprehensive post-mortem after Wroclaw but whether the FIM revert to the SWC or continue with the SON the lack of viability for tracks staging these events, especially the qualifiers, ,remains a big issue. As far as I know the only alternative to Wroclaw this year was Belle Vue but while Polish fans, given the popularity of speedway there and their fervent national enthusiasm, might support a two-day event cannot see it working anywhere else including the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 9 hours ago, marko said: It’s so contrived when a team could go unbeaten on Friday and Saturday and be top scorers by 20 points or even more ahead of second place and still not be the champions. That's no difference to the GPs. Can go all nightnunbeaten but then beaten In final. That is sport these days. Can finish top of league. And loose play off semi. A team can be winning the whole match only for a 5-1 From opposing team in heat 15 to a win after a 1-5. People may say the races are meaningless to the last race but actually they are not. They need to score enough points to make the top 3 to get in the finals of the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: NOT the best start, I must admit, but hopefully;y there will be far better racing at the NSS on Tuesday and then again in Wroclaw. The worst possible scenario, of course, is that after nearly 100 races we get to the final, Joe Bloggs is excluded for a tapes offence, and the two opposition guys ride round waving to the crowd knowing they cannot be beaten.What an anti-climax that would be. No doubt there will be a comprehensive post-mortem after Wroclaw but whether the FIM revert to the SWC or continue with the SON the lack of viability for tracks staging these events, especially the qualifiers, ,remains a big issue. As far as I know the only alternative to Wroclaw this year was Belle Vue but while Polish fans, given the popularity of speedway there and their fervent national enthusiasm, might support a two-day event cannot see it working anywhere else including the UK. When we had the 2 day event in Manchester a few years ago. It was well supported. All though it was much cheaper at something like £25 for both meetings. If they did that both days would have 5-9k there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Star Lady said: I expect the commentators to keep me informed. They didn't make clear that Karpov's warning lasted the whole meeting, even after he was excluded. They mucked the scores up and until long after it was mentioned on here didn't allude to the fact that USA could not progress following Manzares injury. Less repetition would be good, tho apparently that is at the producers behest. you never made a mistake at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: No doubt there will be a comprehensive post-mortem after Wroclaw but whether the FIM revert to the SWC or continue with the SON the lack of viability for tracks staging these events, especially the qualifiers, ,remains a big issue. As far as I know the only alternative to Wroclaw this year was Belle Vue but while Polish fans, given the popularity of speedway there and their fervent national enthusiasm, might support a two-day event cannot see it working anywhere else including the UK. No doubt, lessons learned, blah blah... Anyone with half-a-brain could see the problems with the format, which have been discussed in depth on here. And even if there’s a half-decent crowd at Wroclaw, it doesn’t bode well for the future of the competition when the ‘Final’ has to be held outside of Poland. Or is the Final always going to be in Poland, which hardly fulfills the stated aim of taking the competition to a ‘new audience’. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said: When we had the 2 day event in Manchester a few years ago. It was well supported. All though it was much cheaper at something like £25 for both meetings. If they did that both days would have 5-9k there BUT it wasn't the same teams competing for an accumulated score with a result only on the second day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: NOT the best start, I must admit, but hopefully;y there will be far better racing at the NSS on Tuesday and then again in Wroclaw. The worst possible scenario, of course, is that after nearly 100 races we get to the final, Joe Bloggs is excluded for a tapes offence, and the two opposition guys ride round waving to the crowd knowing they cannot be beaten.What an anti-climax that would be. No doubt there will be a comprehensive post-mortem after Wroclaw but whether the FIM revert to the SWC or continue with the SON the lack of viability for tracks staging these events, especially the qualifiers, ,remains a big issue. As far as I know the only alternative to Wroclaw this year was Belle Vue but while Polish fans, given the popularity of speedway there and their fervent national enthusiasm, might support a two-day event cannot see it working anywhere else including the UK. ALL of the problems were foreseable before the event. Almost ALL were created by the FIM and the organisers themselves. Pretty much all were detailed here on this forum ad nauseum. Unfortunately people just ploughed on in denial. Edited June 3, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: BUT it wasn't the same teams competing for an accumulated score with a result only on the second day. No problem with no result til day 2, like a 2 leg meeting really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) The two day World final was an embsrassment, although having it in Holland probably didn't help. Last night's meeting was not good. It was supposed to be a pairs event, but where was the team riding? Whatever happened to thr great USA team racing style? Hancock racing off into the distance while his partner got passed by all and sundry cost USA a place in the final. Did anyone really care about the World Pairs in the past? It was always the poor relation of the World Team Cup and the individual championship, and still is. If they are having the World Cup every 2 years, with this as a filler, then fine. But if this is replacing it then it is a disastrous decision. Edited June 3, 2018 by Grachan 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 This was on It brought in to try to stop the poles from having an easy time. And I'm sure that the poles won t have it as easy. Even on home soil. But I do want the SWC back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 52 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: NOT the best start, I must admit, but hopefully;y there will be far better racing at the NSS on Tuesday and then again in Wroclaw. The worst possible scenario, of course, is that after nearly 100 races we get to the final, Joe Bloggs is excluded for a tapes offence, and the two opposition guys ride round waving to the crowd knowing they cannot be beaten.What an anti-climax that would be. No doubt there will be a comprehensive post-mortem after Wroclaw but whether the FIM revert to the SWC or continue with the SON the lack of viability for tracks staging these events, especially the qualifiers, ,remains a big issue. As far as I know the only alternative to Wroclaw this year was Belle Vue but while Polish fans, given the popularity of speedway there and their fervent national enthusiasm, might support a two-day event cannot see it working anywhere else including the UK. There's no reason why they can't return to a SWC style event, held in a similar format to that of the 4's at Peterborough, maybe qualifiers on 1 day and a final on the next, all done and dusted in a weekend! The trouble with Pairs racing is it only works if the competing pairs are of a similar standard, it's no good having Hancock 30 yards ahead of the pair behind and then Gino 30 yards behind them, where's the entertainment in that? Or Sweden 30 yards in front of the Fins... Riders will only "team ride" if they need to. At least with 4 individual riders in a race there's more scope for competitive action than with 2 "teams" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulboy Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, iainb said: you never made a mistake at work? If any of us made as many mistakes as that clown last night we’d have no work! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 I cannot see many that watched last night pay out to go to Belle Vue. It will be slightly better but it is the format that is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 12 hours ago, TheReturn said: Being positive is fine, but Is it moaning to simply want a better commentator for the product we pay a lot of money for that actually gets the score right? I don't think it is. Tatum is fine, at least he interjects some technical knowledge now and then. I am not sure what Pearson adds to the product? Pearson adds to the decibel volume...... that is about it apart from trying to say Cradley as many times as possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, paulboy said: If any of us made as many mistakes as that clown last night we’d have no work! The thing is most of us are very replaceable, Speedway commentators less so. Anyway what's the beef? He didn't swear, I'm sure he didn't deliberately try and mislead people, just got the score wrong, something I did myself the other night at Leicester, I think you should be a little more tolerant of people, he's not a machine 4 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: I cannot see many that watched last night pay out to go to Belle Vue. It will be slightly better but it is the format that is crap. I was toying with the idea of going to BV on Tuesday, I will not bother after last nights borefest... if it had been SWC, I would have gone. They've obviously got to see this years competition out now but it'll be interesting to see how they go forward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) I don't think there is a lack of tracks but lack of clubs being able to pay the fees that BSI demands. I know Smederna were interested in hosting a SWC event because Smederna's club president said so to the local newspaper last summer. Edited June 4, 2018 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Phil The Ace said: That's no difference to the GPs. Can go all nightnunbeaten but then beaten In final. That is sport these days. It is a bloody big difference.Someone can win a final,but the rider with the most points wins in the end and that is how it was in the SWC as well.This new innovative comp is just rubbish.Plenty said it before a wheel was turned and after a few wheels it looks even worse that some thought 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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