keepturningleft Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Speedway doesn't fix things that are broken, but fixes something that isn't broken - the World Cup. In my opinion, APART FROM THE JOKER RULE, the format for the WC was finally perfected after years of fiddling around with it. Four nations, one rider from each in every race and wearing the same helmet colour throughout. Dead simple. Easy to understand for casual or new viewers tuning in and that's how it should be. Forget about team riding, new viewers won't understand or care less about it. This new competition is taking us backwards to a confusing, audience alienating format. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, waytogo28 said: It sounds as if there is a Left Hand / Right Hand communication between BSI and the NSS over the SON. Nowadays people expect to find such info easily on the Ticket Selling website. It's hard enough to sell tickets for this event, it seems, without making it more difficult to decide to go or not. There's no reason for confusion or concern about parking. The parking permit application form made clear that it does not apply to FIM or BSPA events so permit holders should be aware of the situation. If they want to check and can't find their application form copies can still be downloaded from the Belle Vue website. Unless the situation changes over the next couple of days I also doubt there's any need to worry about whether there will be sufficient parking spaces overall. Looking at the current grandstand ticket sales there should more than enough between the 3 official speedway car parks, even if there are fewer or no spaces in the North car park. Edited June 1, 2018 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 The one thing that spoils the otherwise splendid image of Belle Vue stadium is the visible car parking on the 3rd/4th bends. It gives it that 'track in a field' look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Parking arrangements.... https://bellevueaces.co/news/2018/6/1/speedway-of-nations-car-parking-arrangements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I'm not sure if Robert Lambert will be eligible to take a reserve ride, even if required. He's 48 years old according to the GP website! http://www.speedwaygp.com/rider/robert-lambert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Grachan said: I'm not sure if Robert Lambert will be eligible to take a reserve ride, even if required. He's 48 years old according to the GP website! http://www.speedwaygp.com/rider/robert-lambert That profile pic of yours is very wrong! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 15 hours ago, KIRKYLANE said: Rules are on the sgp web site 21 heats as per normal best pairs ... riders from each team can swap positions at the gate top 2 straight through 1st semi 4th v 5th pair 2nd semi 3rd v winner of 1st semi to decide the 3rd qualifying pair Oh dear!! Thats horrendous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 hours ago, keepturningleft said: Speedway doesn't fix things that are broken, but fixes something that isn't broken - the World Cup. In my opinion, APART FROM THE JOKER RULE, the format for the WC was finally perfected after years of fiddling around with it. Four nations, one rider from each in every race and wearing the same helmet colour throughout. Dead simple. Easy to understand for casual or new viewers tuning in and that's how it should be. Forget about team riding, new viewers won't understand or care less about it. This new competition is taking us backwards to a confusing, audience alienating format. Agree 100% Loved the old SWC format. Don't really keep up with the off track stuff but I just don't get why they would change it. In 2017 the semi finals were a bit unbalanced (GB very easy) but if anyone who saw the Sweden semi with Australia, Latvia, Denmark could watch that match and think the format needed changing must be crazy. Possibly the best match if 2017. Also why choose Wroclaw for the final? It's not a great track (although better in 2018 than 2017) when they could give it to Leszno, Czestochowa etc and guarantee better racing Obviously will still watch it. Russia I think will edge it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Another quick one, and it may be buried within this thread but Denmark team - why no Leon Madsen? I understand MJJ selection as he's been doing really well but I would have though Madsen would be the number 1 pick. I assume Pedersen is resting up after his injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Jacques said: Parking arrangements.... https://bellevueaces.co/news/2018/6/1/speedway-of-nations-car-parking-arrangements So hopefully that answers any questions. Increasing the fee to £5 seems a bit steep but I suppose BSI want to maximise any profit and would argue that it is a World Championship semi final. I never park on the street, it's not the best of areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, James Carter said: Another quick one, and it may be buried within this thread but Denmark team - why no Leon Madsen? I understand MJJ selection as he's been doing really well but I would have though Madsen would be the number 1 pick. I assume Pedersen is resting up after his injuries? Neither Pedersen nor Madsen seem to want to ride whilst Nielsen is in charge.Well Nicki was dimplomatic and said he wants to give the young riders a chance....,. Edited June 1, 2018 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, iris123 said: Neither Pedersen nor Madsen seem to want to ride whilst Nielsen is in charge.Well Nicki was dimplomatic and said he wants to give the young riders a chance....,. Funny, that's what Hancock said when he needs an excuse because he couldn't be Ars#d a couple of years ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 On 9 February 2018 at 5:02 PM, PHILIPRISING said: I HAVE enquired about the eventuality of a 3-3 ... no response yet Semi finals work on the 4320 principal so one team may let a rider go and concentrate on minor places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: Semi finals work on the 4320 principal so one team may let a rider go and concentrate on minor places Yes. Yet another sh!tty aspect of this poorly thought-out event. Edited June 1, 2018 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 49 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: Semi finals work on the 4320 principal so one team may let a rider go and concentrate on minor places Where did you get that? Dont think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, INCOGNITO said: Semi finals work on the 4320 principal so one team may let a rider go and concentrate on minor places DON'T think that is right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: Where did you get that? Dont think so. 51 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: DON'T think that is right The guy's terminology may not be strictly correct in that points are not actually awarded 4320. But he is correct about the outcome for a shared heat. The FIM regulations part 9.3 subsection 2 makes it plain that in the event of a 3-3 in the final races of each meeting it is the second and third places men that WIN. That has exactly the same effect as scoring what would be a 4-5 under the 4320 format. So he IS right about the principal, which is what he said. Whatever. The losers win. A farce for an event with 'world championship' style protentions. Edited June 1, 2018 by Grand Central 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 9.2 Tiea 3. If the scores are shared between the two teams taking part in the Race Offs heats 22 & 23. Final 2 heat 22 (Semi Final) and Final 2 heat 23 (Grand Final), the team taking 2nd and 3rd position will be considered the better place team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Does anyone actually care about this event? Seems to me to be a filler. Be suprised if there are more than 1500 in the crowd and why the hell Cook is riding is a complete mystery. The guy is out of his depth at international level. Stick Bewley in for experience, and if he fails Lambert can cover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Noodles said: 9.2 Tiea 3. If the scores are shared between the two teams taking part in the Race Offs heats 22 & 23. Final 2 heat 22 (Semi Final) and Final 2 heat 23 (Grand Final), the team taking 2nd and 3rd position will be considered the better place team. To add to this, if there’s a tie for qualification for the semi-final, the tie is determined initially by ‘who beat who’, if that heat was a 3-3 then the team taking second and third will be considered the better placed team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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