THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 22 hours ago, bluebee said: You were quick off the mark with that. I really wanted to point out that attitudes change. What might have seemed glamorous in the past could seem seedy today. I am almost 65 and in my lifetime some things that have changed dramatically for the better and that includes the position of many women (also minorities and gay people). This might be seen as political correctness gone mad by some on here but I think that it is a matter of respect and manners for others. If the general perception is that it is a demeaning and old-fashioned then there is no point in speedway going against the trend. As for affecting sponsors then surely they will find other ways of advertising their products But it’s not going against the general perception , it’s a few snowflakes who get offended at just about everytthing and think that everybody else should give up their way of life to suit theirs , personally I hate snowflakes and believe they are not worthy of breathing the free air they are given but I don’t start a campaign to try to get them shot 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 It’s only a matter of time before the snowflakes who can’t or won’t breastfeeed try to stop other women doing it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Sign of the times when a few not the majority are offended by absolutely anything. I don't care if they are there or not but these girls are happy to do the job and get paid well for it which means they can pay their bills and some are no doubt well trained up in other careers and not only do modelling. It worked for Darts as it adds glamour to what is just a pub game on TV, In motorsport it is probably not as required as people who watch it love it anyway whether grid girls are there or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 The other day I heard a comedian say that 'nobody ever died of being offended' and I think in this day and age it is well worth remembering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Vince said: The other day I heard a comedian say that 'nobody ever died of being offended' and I think in this day and age it is well worth remembering! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinkox Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 It's about time the human race started worrying about more important things - like climate change, ice caps melting, sea levels rising, population growing, plastic in the sea and food chain, fossil fuel pollution. God knows what else - bloody ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, spinkox said: It's about time the human race started worrying about more important things - like climate change, ice caps melting, sea levels rising, population growing, plastic in the sea and food chain, fossil fuel pollution. God knows what else - bloody ridiculous. They change the name to climate change from global warming because that’s not what’s happening , the ice caps are actually growing , the pictures of plastic in the sea were actually results of tsunami’s that swept the plastic off the land into the sea and was actually mostly Chinese rubbish and not ours although not sure why the government isn’t banging on McDonald’s and Poundland’s doors about the waste plastic they dish out and as for fossil fuels , how clean do you suppose electric vehicles are ?the mining to produce the battery’s(google how damaging that is to the earth) and where does the electricity come ? Oh yea nuclear power stations that we need to build to cope with demand to power the cars saying diesel pollution is responsible for 38,000 cancer deaths a year is the same as blaming ladders for a broken neck deaths , with modern dpf’s hardly anything is coming out of the exhausts these days but strangely that never seems to get mentioned cause it doesn’t fit in with the plan , it’s all manipulation to make us conform to the master plan , unfortunatly we are stupid enough to fall for it and if any of you disagree with me I don’t care , live your life as you want to and stop trying to change mine , anyhow this is my last post on here for a while so enjoy and have fun what ever you do Edited February 4, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Who's Winnin said: Sign of the times when a few not the majority are offended by absolutely anything. I don't care if they are there or not but these girls are happy to do the job and get paid well for it which means they can pay their bills and some are no doubt well trained up in other careers and not only do modelling. It worked for Darts as it adds glamour to what is just a pub game on TV, In motorsport it is probably not as required as people who watch it love it anyway whether grid girls are there or not. It has been just a few that have complained about the noise that has caused problems for stadiums. In motorsport, don't the grid girls wear clothing, hold umbrella's & boards with sponsors names on. This could lead to revenue being lost with no or limited air time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 The majority of the public have common sense. It is only a very small minority who have a very loud voice when it comes to 'Political correctness'...with many working in media and other types of outlets. Has anyone else considered what agenda is behind all of this. Why are we all being asked to conform and agree to it all? Men and woman are naturally attracted to the opposite sex. It's NATURAL and NORMAL...to admire the form of others. What is wrong to naturally look at the beautiful lines of a woman, in the same way we would look at the lines of a classic car, JAP/JAWA Speedway bike or say Spitfire. All are beautiful, easy on the eye and give natural pleasure. What's being forced on us, is everything unnatural imo. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 I would like to make clear that I make no moral judgements about the women who choose to be gate girls. However, they are representative of a glamour tradition that is long out of date. I find it ironic Gresham that you compare women to machinery - that is what some women are complaining about. I imagine most fans go to speedway to see the racing and not ogle young women pouting and twirling around in mock "come ons". It's a seedy performance that does not enhance the sport. The position of women has changed dramatically in recent years: more female graduates than male, many more women managers and professionals. I would think that a good number - especially the more educated - would find "start tarts" demeaning not enhancing of their sex. I wonder how men would feel if their most visible role in the sport was to prance about in a skimpy clothes simulating sexual excitement before the start of a motorcycle race between 4 women. To rest your argument that the objectors are just snowflakes obsessed with political correctness is no better than suggesting that the supporters of the "glamour" roles are all sex starved dirty old pervs. I just suggest that speedway changes with the times and tries to more modern image. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, bluebee said: I would like to make clear that I make no moral judgements about the women who choose to be gate girls. However, they are representative of a glamour tradition that is long out of date. I find it ironic Gresham that you compare women to machinery - that is what some women are complaining about. I imagine most fans go to speedway to see the racing and not ogle young women pouting and twirling around in mock "come ons". It's a seedy performance that does not enhance the sport. The position of women has changed dramatically in recent years: more female graduates than male, many more women managers and professionals. I would think that a good number - especially the more educated - would find "start tarts" demeaning not enhancing of their sex. I wonder how men would feel if their most visible role in the sport was to prance about in a skimpy clothes simulating sexual excitement before the start of a motorcycle race between 4 women. To rest your argument that the objectors are just snowflakes obsessed with political correctness is no better than suggesting that the supporters of the "glamour" roles are all sex starved dirty old pervs. I just suggest that speedway changes with the times and tries to more modern image. I don't agree that the girls that do the starts at Swindon are doing anything sexual or wearing anything skimpy. They are just part of the presentation. There is an element of it with the GPs though. I don't think the tv companies help matters with some of their camera angles either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 7 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: They change the name to climate change from global warming because that’s not what’s happening , the ice caps are actually growing , the pictures of plastic in the sea were actually results of tsunami’s that swept the plastic off the land into the sea and was actually mostly Chinese rubbish and not ours although not sure why the government isn’t banging on McDonald’s and Poundland’s doors about the waste plastic they dish out and as for fossil fuels , how clean do you suppose electric vehicles are ?the mining to produce the battery’s(google how damaging that is to the earth) and where does the electricity come ? Oh yea nuclear power stations that we need to build to cope with demand to power the cars saying diesel pollution is responsible for 38,000 cancer deaths a year is the same as blaming ladders for a broken neck deaths , with modern dpf’s hardly anything is coming out of the exhausts these days but strangely that never seems to get mentioned cause it doesn’t fit in with the plan , it’s all manipulation to make us conform to the master plan , unfortunatly we are stupid enough to fall for it and if any of you disagree with me I don’t care , live your life as you want to and stop trying to change mine , anyhow this is my last post on here for a while so enjoy and have fun what ever you do They do always appear to be a step or two behind. The initial panic was to reduce petrol Carbon Monoxide, thus encouraging diesel Power. This resulted in polluting the air with PM and NOx. Emissions standards / certification addressed this with the introduction of DOC, DPF, SCR technology. Place an off highway, Stage 5 engine in numerous countries - the air coming out of the exhaust will be cleaner than it draws in. Just get rid of all vehicles below Stage 4 and the Euro on highway equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gresham Posted February 4, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, bluebee said: I would like to make clear that I make no moral judgements about the women who choose to be gate girls. However, they are representative of a glamour tradition that is long out of date. I find it ironic Gresham that you compare women to machinery - that is what some women are complaining about. I imagine most fans go to speedway to see the racing and not ogle young women pouting and twirling around in mock "come ons". It's a seedy performance that does not enhance the sport. The position of women has changed dramatically in recent years: more female graduates than male, many more women managers and professionals. I would think that a good number - especially the more educated - would find "start tarts" demeaning not enhancing of their sex. I wonder how men would feel if their most visible role in the sport was to prance about in a skimpy clothes simulating sexual excitement before the start of a motorcycle race between 4 women. To rest your argument that the objectors are just snowflakes obsessed with political correctness is no better than suggesting that the supporters of the "glamour" roles are all sex starved dirty old pervs. I just suggest that speedway changes with the times and tries to more modern image. Ok...I can compare them to a beautiful sunset, a beautiful flower. Why does a human being that can naturally see the beauty in a woman be called a 'Perv'? Are we not meant to be naturally attracted to one another...to pro create? Why fight those natural senses? There are just as many woman who want to work in this type of industry as those that feel it wrong. Men and woman have naturally been drawn to the other sex and have appreciated one another's form since time and memorial. Why does a few in this generation think they know best? The modern image you seem to want...craves everything unnatural. As for your adage regarding men in the role of woman....watch a programme called 'loose woman'...and tell me how if 4 men in a panel spoke about the same things as they do would be right. It's not about being equal anymore...it's about taking over and forcing it down peoples throats. Many a 'grid' girl has come out since and spoken about how ridiculous this situation is. Some saying 'how is any different to going out in a nice dress clubbing of a weekend? Why do woman do it?....To feel like a woman, feel attractive and good about themselves. Everything is so hypocritical....and so far removed from the majority of the rest of the world. It's complete madness...such companies like the BBC standing for such things, yet they show a cartoon pic of Piers Morgan;s head up Donald Trumps arse...imagine if they had done it with a female presenter or politician. One rule for one....etc,etc....there is no consistency and men are being absolutely hauled over the coals atm for everything. The Country it seems wants to ban looking at woman, yet has businesses building sex robots...how totally fecked up. You can see where this world is going.... 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 04/02/2018 at 2:17 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said: They change the name to climate change from global warming because that’s not what’s happening , the ice caps are actually growing , Not sure where you get your info from,but according to NASA you are wrong. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/sea-ice-extent-sinks-to-record-lows-at-both-poles So not really worth going into the rest 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42950040 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 Boxing wont be bowing to the snowflakes , you're still going to have a dolly bird holding the round board . Who'd have thought the fall out from a Hollywood film producer not being able to keep it in his pants , would cause the darts walk on girls their jobs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 1:17 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said: They change the name to climate change from global warming because that’s not what’s happening , the ice caps are actually growing , the pictures of plastic in the sea were actually results of tsunami’s that swept the plastic off the land into the sea and was actually mostly Chinese rubbish and not ours although not sure why the government isn’t banging on McDonald’s and Poundland’s doors about the waste plastic they dish out and as for fossil fuels , how clean do you suppose electric vehicles are ?the mining to produce the battery’s(google how damaging that is to the earth) and where does the electricity come ? Oh yea nuclear power stations that we need to build to cope with demand to power the cars saying diesel pollution is responsible for 38,000 cancer deaths a year is the same as blaming ladders for a broken neck deaths , with modern dpf’s hardly anything is coming out of the exhausts these days but strangely that never seems to get mentioned cause it doesn’t fit in with the plan , it’s all manipulation to make us conform to the master plan , unfortunatly we are stupid enough to fall for it and if any of you disagree with me I don’t care , live your life as you want to and stop trying to change mine , anyhow this is my last post on here for a while so enjoy and have fun what ever you do I applaud you for being well informed With record low temps being recorded around the globe, most people have no idea that the Grand Solar Minimum is just around the corner....https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/news-articles/solar-minimum-is-coming 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 02/02/2018 at 8:16 PM, Starman2006 said: Absolutely rediculous whats wrong with adding a bit of glamour to the procedings, political correctness gone mad, what is the world coming to.. In just a few week'a time, it's the Rio carnival. Those topless young women waving to the spectators from the floats; will they be dispensed with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, blupanther said: I applaud you for being well informed With record low temps being recorded around the globe, most people have no idea that the Grand Solar Minimum is just around the corner....https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/news-articles/solar-minimum-is-coming Err,you talk about a Grand Solar Minimum then link to a site about a Solar Minimum.You I assume realise that a Solar Minimum happens roughly every 11 years? Just a few weeks ago in the US,plus I know in Hamburg we had one of the warmest January days on record.The US has also broken coldest days recently too of course,but that doesn't change the records on the NASA site https://psmag.com/environment/why-is-winter-suddenly-so-warm https://climate.nasa.gov/ And the report of yet another Grand Solar Minimum lol https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, iris123 said: Err,you talk about a Grand Solar Minimum then link to a site about a Solar Minimum.You I assume realise that a Solar Minimum happens roughly every 11 years? Just a few weeks ago in the US,plus I know in Hamburg we had one of the warmest January days on record.The US has also broken coldest days recently too of course,but that doesn't change the records on the NASA site https://psmag.com/environment/why-is-winter-suddenly-so-warm https://climate.nasa.gov/ And the report of yet another Grand Solar Minimum lol https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong Climate change is and always has been controlled by the Sun and Planetary positioning, and The Maunder Minimum of 1645 - 1715 is a classic example of this. To comprehend the future you have to understand the past... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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