Baldyman Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, IronScorpion said: I am sure my eyes did not deceive me but wasn't there dancing girls on the stage at the Premier League Darts on tv last night so make your mind up. You either have them or not but for the girls, it is a paid job. Yes they did and they are keeping the dancers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Didn't this all come about cos some rich dudes couldn't keep their hands to themselves at a charity event the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave69 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, Mr Snackette said: Alternatively, they could dress in the uniforms of Nazi Storm Troopers, and ask them to distribute "Britain First" literature before and after the meetings. That should help make certain right-wing loonies ecstatic!! We could have both.A win win situation.Lefties on 1 and 3,Nazis on 2 and 4.You sir are a genius.Now to put it to the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave69 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42907570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Of course, no objectivisation of women as sex objects or sexism has ever been intended in the use of young women at race starts. That's why they have often been referred to as "start tarts" on this forum and elsewhere. Also no discussions of the "fittest" start tart at the GPs has ever appeared in the GP section of this forum. From the avatars of some posters seen here, we can also assume that all our posters favour of the fair portrayal of women associated with the sport. This is not a major issue for me but I would defer to the opinion of women and in particular those who follow the sport as to how they see gate girls. And certainly if F1 and Darts and other sports start to drop them I would hope that speedway would not continue with its old fashioned Hi-de-Hi form of presentation. And as a father of two young women I would not like to see my daughters twirling and pouting in mock "come on's" at the beginning of a speedway race. I know they would consider it demeaning. Perhaps, we need understand that times and attitudes do change and we have to adapt and see the benefits. Edited February 2, 2018 by bluebee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: People are pointing fingures in the wrong direction in the banning of the girls. It's not the sports themselves that are removing them, it's the television channels putting the pressure on, trying to be politically correct. If Speedway insist the girls stay tv will pull the plug If the Monster Girls go then probably so will Monster and without SGP's biggest sponsor there may not be a GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Absolutely rediculous whats wrong with adding a bit of glamour to the procedings, political correctness gone mad, what is the world coming to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 The offended are taking over that much is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 52 minutes ago, bluebee said: Of course, no objectivisation of women as sex objects or sexism has ever been intended in the use of young women at race starts. That's why they have often been referred to as "start tarts" on this forum and elsewhere. Also no discussions of the "fittest" start tart at the GPs has ever appeared in the GP section of this forum. From the avatars of some posters seen here, we can also assume that all our posters favour of the fair portrayal of women associated with the sport. This is not a major issue for me but I would defer to the opinion of women and in particular those who follow the sport as to how they see gate girls. And certainly if F1 and Darts and other sports start to drop them I would hope that speedway would not continue with its old fashioned Hi-de-Hi form of presentation. And as a father of two young women I would not like to see my daughters twirling and pouting in mock "come on's" at the beginning of a speedway race. I know they would consider it demeaning. Perhaps, we need understand that times and attitudes do change and we have to adapt and see the benefits. So is that a for, against or possibly a maybe from you, as you seem to have all gates covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tsunami said: So is that a for, against or possibly a maybe from you, as you seem to have all gates covered. You were quick off the mark with that. I really wanted to point out that attitudes change. What might have seemed glamorous in the past could seem seedy today. I am almost 65 and in my lifetime some things that have changed dramatically for the better and that includes the position of many women (also minorities and gay people). This might be seen as political correctness gone mad by some on here but I think that it is a matter of respect and manners for others. If the general perception is that it is a demeaning and old-fashioned then there is no point in speedway going against the trend. As for affecting sponsors then surely they will find other ways of advertising their products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave69 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: Absolutely rediculous whats wrong with adding a bit of glamour to the procedings, political correctness gone mad, what is the world coming to.. They'll be wanting the vote next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, dave69 said: They'll be wanting the vote next. And being allowed to drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: And being allowed to drive. Oh NO. But who will do the reversing.? Edited February 2, 2018 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 14 hours ago, IronScorpion said: I am sure my eyes did not deceive me but wasn't there dancing girls on the stage at the Premier League Darts on tv last night so make your mind up. You either have them or not but for the girls, it is a paid job. So is prostitution! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, dave69 said: They'll be wanting the vote next. Yeh.. this country has gone political correctness mad. Edited February 3, 2018 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 On todays St. Petersburg ladies tennis semi final Petra Kvitova and Julia Goerges were led on court by 6 ladies in bright red tennis outfits and looked very fetching. So if you ban them you would also have to ban the players as they were wearing similar outfits I wonder what the politically correct people would say about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) Swimming,diving,gymnastics,beach volleyball all in boiler suits.Tennis and hockey in long trousers.Full body beachware high neck lines skirts to the ankle etc.How far is it going to go it seems that some politically correct people will not be happy until we go back to Victorian times. If most of the population do not have a problem with something then leave it be.If the odd few over the top head case's have a problem with something then let them get over it and let the rest of us get on with life blissfully not thinking there is any problem. Edited February 3, 2018 by B.V 72 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, B.V 72 said: Swimming,diving,gymnastics,beach volleyball all in boiler suits.Tennis and hockey in long trousers.Full body beachware high neck lines skirts to the ankle etc.How far is it going to go it seems that some politically correct people will not be happy until we go back to Victorian times. If most of the population do not have a problem with something then leave it be.If the odd few over the top head case's have a problem with something then let them get over it and let the rest of us get on with life blissfully not thinking there is any problem. I agree. So long as the women involved are happy to do the work. Personally, I don't care whether we have them or not. They now only appear at the NSS for shared BSPA events and I can't say that I think the presentation or entertainment level has suffered but that is my opinion and I wouldn't dream of imposing my opinion on others who think otherwise. I have never come across a female supporter who has ever said they feel strongly and are offended by the start line girls nor have I come across anybody who has given it as a reason not to attend any of the sports where they or, their equivalent, appear. In the present climate too many seem to be afraid of offending the snowflakes who believe they know what is right and best for the rest of us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 Maybe the girls should be allowed to carry on but dress them like Emily Pankhurst....? Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrrr..... etc etc etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 43 minutes ago, mikebv said: Maybe the girls should be allowed to carry on but dress them like Emily Pankhurst....? Phwoooooaaaarrrrrrrr..... etc etc etc..... Just let me find my Cosmo Smallpiece glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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