mikebv Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Which is entirely the problem! In other words, it depends who is asking, which is a big factor in the sport being in the mess it is. Can't remember which ex member of the MC said it, but in the SS one week a good while ago, he said promoters would ring round from one MC member to another until one of them eventually agreed with what that promoter wanted to do. Often asking for a decision to include a rider with literally minutes to tapes up... Basically they were looking for just one (any) MC member to interpret a rule the same way they had, thus giving them the green light.. Cannot run a Sport like that if it wants credibilty and to be viewed as 'professional'... In any sport (or indeed in any walk of life) where decision makers can be viewed as potentially acting with vested interest, then there is even more need for transparency with publicly detailed reasoning for any decisions reached... Edited February 1, 2018 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 13 hours ago, False dawn said: So there is no discretion? Perhaps that's what the official guidelines should say then? I've no axe to grind either way, I'm a Bees fan . But this is February and clubs are still debating various rules with the authorities which directly affect team building. That can't be right, surely? Maybe they felt with the number of number of unsigned British riders, it wouldn't be appropriate to support the visa application of a foreign rider who doesn't meet the current requirements? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 14 hours ago, mikebv said: Can't remember which ex member of the MC said it, but in the SS one week a good while ago, he said promoters would ring round from one MC member to another until one of them eventually agreed with what that promoter wanted to do. Often asking for a decision to include a rider with literally minutes to tapes up... Basically they were looking for just one (any) MC member to interpret a rule the same way they had, thus giving them the green light.. Cannot run a Sport like that if it wants credibilty and to be viewed as 'professional'... In any sport (or indeed in any walk of life) where decision makers can be viewed as potentially acting with vested interest, then there is even more need for transparency with publicly detailed reasoning for any decisions reached... Doubt that. There is always one member on the MC on standby to give rulings when they are needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Tsunami said: Doubt that. There is always one member on the MC on standby to give rulings when they are needed. Definitely 100% remember reading it in an interview with one of the ex MC promoters in the SS... He did explain the process but that not always first port of call was available, particularly when close to tapes up.. I remember he went on to say how hard the job was particularly when confronted by Promoters even threatening to close the track down if he didn't agree with what was being requested, making out that HE would be responsible for the demise of a track!! Don't envy the MC when so many rules are subjective and therefore by definition, prejudicial.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Definitely 100% remember reading it in an interview with one of the ex MC promoters in the SS... He did explain the process but that not always first port of call was available, particularly when close to tapes up.. I remember he went on to say how hard the job was particularly when confronted by Promoters even threatening to close the track down if he didn't agree with what was being requested, making out that HE would be responsible for the demise of a track!! Don't envy the MC when so many rules are subjective and therefore by definition, prejudicial.. I can only go one discussions with George English who was a regular MC member on call. MC members might collaborate with other MC members if more information is needed, but I don't think you can pick and mix answers from favoured members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) On 01/02/2018 at 7:45 PM, ch958 said: kind of related - someone just posted on fb that there are more than double the number of riders unemployed than doubling up. something not right there - perhaps this informs attitudes to work permits. i guess a fair percentage of members voted for brexit - well nows our chance to make sure those riders are employed before any visas are issued There is a desperate shortage of riders in the UK. Lower the qualification rules for more non-UK riders to fill the gap! Brian Collins Edited February 5, 2018 by TwoMinuteWarning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 9:43 AM, MattK said: Maybe they felt with the number of number of unsigned British riders, it wouldn't be appropriate to support the visa application of a foreign rider who doesn't meet the current requirements? A fair enough reason... so simply say that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 5, 2018 Report Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, TwoMinuteWarning said: There is a desperate shortage of riders in the UK. Lower the qualification rules for more non-UK riders to fill the gap! Brian Collins well apparently there isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 And now celebrating the BSPA changing the rules in February, 3 months after the AGM, to allow Scott Nicholls to drop down when Lakeside were told (correctly) he rules didn’t allow Scott or Ed Kennett to drop down. Why do Speedway fans have such little integrity? It’s like the sport being a shambles is what most deserve. They’ll be wondering next week why nobody takes the sport serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Its not the Kennett / Nichols ruling that make people not take the sport seriously, its the fact that riders can ride for two different teams in the same country at the same time that people cant understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, SCB said: And now celebrating the BSPA changing the rules in February, 3 months after the AGM, to allow Scott Nicholls to drop down when Lakeside were told (correctly) he rules didn’t allow Scott or Ed Kennett to drop down. Why do Speedway fans have such little integrity? It’s like the sport being a shambles is what most deserve. They’ll be wondering next week why nobody takes the sport serious. Integrity is not trying to implement 'rules' that are unlawful. Lakeside could have challenged it but didn't, and that was their choice. The BSPA are clearly not fit to run a bath let alone a sport, they obviously think employment laws don't apply to them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 It really is just 4 men 4 laps if you fancy a night out go along.It cannot be taken as a serious sport in UK. IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: It really is just 4 men 4 laps if you fancy a night out go along.It cannot be taken as a serious sport in UK. IMO . And ain't that the truth! I went along once last season on the spur of the moment after several years away to watch a match. I'd had long enough out to not know who rode for which team or, indeed for how many teams and fairly enjoyed it. It was a little disjointed but, having followed the sport around the world, I accepted that as part and parcel under the circumstances and I was happy enough to give it another go. On the selected day I did check the old interweb for team news and guess what - the visitors 'team' was going to comprise of five guests and rider replacement. How the hell can that be taken seriously? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 11 hours ago, Barney Rabbit said: And ain't that the truth! I went along once last season on the spur of the moment after several years away to watch a match. I'd had long enough out to not know who rode for which team or, indeed for how many teams and fairly enjoyed it. It was a little disjointed but, having followed the sport around the world, I accepted that as part and parcel under the circumstances and I was happy enough to give it another go. On the selected day I did check the old interweb for team news and guess what - the visitors 'team' was going to comprise of five guests and rider replacement. How the hell can that be taken seriously? Some Middleton Cup and Liberty Trophy matches are much more exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Barney Rabbit said: And ain't that the truth! I went along once last season on the spur of the moment after several years away to watch a match. I'd had long enough out to not know who rode for which team or, indeed for how many teams and fairly enjoyed it. It was a little disjointed but, having followed the sport around the world, I accepted that as part and parcel under the circumstances and I was happy enough to give it another go. On the selected day I did check the old interweb for team news and guess what - the visitors 'team' was going to comprise of five guests and rider replacement. How the hell can that be taken seriously? I went to the notorious Leicester-King's Lynn meeting last season and while it escapes just how many guests were riding - a lot - the car park attendant told me that the speedway had been cancelled and there was a circus instead. The odd thing was that it was - thanks largely to Dan Bewley - a highly entertaining meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 17 hours ago, SCB said: And now celebrating the BSPA changing the rules in February, 3 months after the AGM, to allow Scott Nicholls to drop down when Lakeside were told (correctly) he rules didn’t allow Scott or Ed Kennett to drop down. Why do Speedway fans have such little integrity? It’s like the sport being a shambles is what most deserve. They’ll be wondering next week why nobody takes the sport serious. YOU cannot c change a rule that was never a rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 THE SCB told the BSPA months ago that the "proposed" rule as written was not acceptable and would be open to a legal challenge that would most likely succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: THE SCB told the BSPA months ago that the "proposed" rule as written was not acceptable and would be open to a legal challenge that would most likely succeed. What actually was the proposed new rule and why was it considered unacceptable? Does the SCB not have similar concerns about many other rules which could be considered restriction of trade and/or discrimination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uluru Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, MattK said: Does the SCB not have similar concerns about many other rules which could be considered restriction of trade and/or discrimination? I don't know if there will be, mate. As I see it, and presuming UK law marches with Australian law, your BSPA is a "club" and as such can make private rules if agreed by members. Like golf clubs choosing not to accept women and stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Uluru said: I don't know if there will be, mate. As I see it, and presuming UK law marches with Australian law, your BSPA is a "club" and as such can make private rules if agreed by members. Like golf clubs choosing not to accept women and stuff like that. It's a bit different though because they are actually employers of contracted workers. With private members clubs you mostly pay to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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