david_rowe Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 16 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Not the same without team eport 200.pl (sniff). Congratulations to Onesport for not crashing into the Motocross by three minutes. You’ll be pleased to know that eKantor is an affiliated company... check their website to find out more! Seriously, great effort by everyone there to get the track fit, and to run successfully to such a tight schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, david_rowe said: You’ll be pleased to know that eKantor is an affiliated company... check their website to find out more! Seriously, great effort by everyone there to get the track fit, and to run successfully to such a tight schedule. I thought the highlight was seeing Marcelina Rutkowska again- it`s been a long winter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, racers and royals said: I thought the highlight was seeing Marcelina Rutkowska again- it`s been a long winter Obviously has for a Royals fan Come on you Lions As for the meeting,i am in agreement with some of the others.Just had the feel of a training meeting with a stadium 25% full,if that.Turned off after 5 heats.One or two of the teams didn't even have team suits!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, iris123 said: Obviously has for a Royals fan Come on you Lions As for the meeting,i am in agreement with some of the others.Just had the feel of a training meeting with a stadium 25% full,if that.Turned off after 5 heats.One or two of the teams didn't even have team suits!!!! " There`s only one Paul Clement " !!!! flown in to save our season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I thought given the circumstances it was a pretty decent match. Madsen looked very good which is encouraging for Czestochowa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 hours ago, James Carter said: I thought given the circumstances it was a pretty decent match. Madsen looked very good which is encouraging for Czestochowa Madsen looks like aWorld Champ at times espiecially in Poland very fast and made some great passes.Inconsistant though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) On 26/03/2018 at 4:02 PM, david_rowe said: You’ll be pleased to know that eKantor is an affiliated company... check their website to find out more! Seriously, great effort by everyone there to get the track fit, and to run successfully to such a tight schedule. Hmmm - a little too Zielona Gora-flavoured for my taste. My loyalties are now up for grabs. I can't see there being a queue. It was a reasonably interesting meeting but not a classic by Torun standards. Like many I find the whole sponsored team format questionable and wonder if once Onesport were prevented from using international 'teams' that it might have been wiser to simply close down the pairs. Still, it was a couple of hours' speedway and to me that's a better way to spend a couple of hours, even if the result is pretty irrelevant, but then we live in an era when even league matches are dismissed as 'meaningless' by some elements of the BSF. It was enjoyable but I am still very wary of Onesport, even if the conflict with Britain has been eased by the BSPA agreeing to be corralled into a two night week for their top league. I suspect they won't be happy until they have the SGP contract, at which point I doubt we'll see any more of these events or the SEC. Edited March 28, 2018 by RobMcCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 12 hours ago, Fromafar said: Madsen looks like aWorld Champ at times espiecially in Poland very fast and made some great passes.Inconsistant though. Agreed I think generally he is very, very good. (just checked and he was 4th in the Polish Averages last year) but then he has meetings like the SGP challenge and you start to think that to make the SGP's he is going to need a pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Agree,you would have thought he would been a fav to get through last year,but I think the Qualifier in Russia caused a lot of logistical problems for a number of riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Agree,you would have thought he would been a fav to get through last year,but I think the Qualifier in Russia caused a lot of logistical problems for a number of riders. In the SEC he was terrible- finishing 12th with 20pts over the 4 meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 9 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Hmmm - a little too Zielona Gora-flavoured for my taste. My loyalties are now up for grabs. I can't see there being a queue. It was a reasonably interesting meeting but not a classic by Torun standards. Like many I find the whole sponsored team format questionable and wonder if once Onesport were prevented from using international 'teams' that it might have been wiser to simply close down the pairs. Still, it was a couple of hours' speedway and to me that's a better way to spend a couple of hours, even if the result is pretty irrelevant, but then we live in an era when even league matches are dismissed as 'meaningless' by some elements of the BSF. It was enjoyable but I am still very wary of Onesport, even if the conflict with Britain has been eased by the BSPA agreeing to be corralled into a two night week for their top league. I suspect they won't be happy until they have the SGP contract, at which point I doubt we'll see any more of these events or the SEC. Konikiwicz explained the situation in a recent Spar interview regarding why SBP had to continue with sponsored teams after national teams were denied... It had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, racers and royals said: In the SEC he was terrible- finishing 12th with 20pts over the 4 meetings He is Inconsistant ,he can look a world beater some weeks but there again that goes for a number of riders,they are earnining a living though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 53 minutes ago, f-s-p said: Konikiwicz explained the situation in a recent Spar interview regarding why SBP had to continue with sponsored teams after national teams were denied... It had to. Thanks, I'm fully aware of the background to the change. However I fail to see why it had to continue, beyond One Sport's own business needs. It's scarcely for the benefit of the sport overall to stage three more meetings of questionable relevance in an already busy international season. Yes we had a moderately entertaining speedway meeting on Sunday but was it really worthwhile beyond the needs of One Sport, the sponsors and a run out for the riders? The attendance figure tells it all and the TV audience figures will have been surely inflated by the long winter break. If it's on I'll watch it because I love speedway and would watch every meeting worldwide if it was humanly possible. I just am very suspicious of why these One Sport events exist, beyond the chance to make a a bit of cash, which after all is the aim of business, but is it the aim of sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Well if he had ( I dont know) a six year Eurosport deal to stage 3 pairs meetings or pay 1 million zloty in fines, I know what I would have done... I’m not that bothered anymore, but the way that OneSport was allowed in to the market and stage Sec and how it behaved, still gives bad vibes. But it’s bygones now, new problems will most certainly wait ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, f-s-p said: Well if he had ( I dont know) a six year Eurosport deal to stage 3 pairs meetings or pay 1 million zloty in fines, I know what I would have done... I’m not that bothered anymore, but the way that OneSport was allowed in to the market and stage Sec and how it behaved, still gives bad vibes. But it’s bygones now, new problems will most certainly wait ahead! Unless Polish law is particularly unusual (the deal was between One Sport and Eurosport Poland so presumably Polish law applies) I'd expect that the contract would be easily voidable if the circumstances had been changed by a third party. Edited March 28, 2018 by RobMcCaffery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 8 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Unless Polish law is particularly unusual (the deal was between One Sport and Eurosport Poland so presumably Polish law applies) I'd expect that the contract would be easily voidable if the circumstances had been changed by a third party. And if there wasn't that sort of clause in the contract, then OneSport must have very poor lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, f-s-p said: Konikiwicz explained the situation in a recent Spar interview regarding why SBP had to continue with sponsored teams after national teams were denied... It had to. I think it was clear why national teams weren't allowed, but why didn't they try and do something with club teams? It would have at least had more relevance. Edited March 29, 2018 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I think it was clear why national teams weren't allowed, but why didn't they try and do something with club teams? It would have at least had more relevance. I did not see the point of denying them. EDIT: in fact there’s an annual team meeting early on in the season in Germany, where countries ride and a couole of years ago Finland was there as well with Germany, Denmark and Sweden all wearing their official national race jackets. Why didnt FIM do anything with that? EDIT: And one team event (Denmark, Germany, Poland and Team Europe) in Pocking has been cancelled this weekend due to rain. Why did not FIM stop that? Edited March 29, 2018 by f-s-p 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 5 hours ago, f-s-p said: I did not see the point of denying them. EDIT: in fact there’s an annual team meeting early on in the season in Germany, where countries ride and a couole of years ago Finland was there as well with Germany, Denmark and Sweden all wearing their official national race jackets. Why didnt FIM do anything with that? EDIT: And one team event (Denmark, Germany, Poland and Team Europe) in Pocking has been cancelled this weekend due to rain. Why did not FIM stop that? It is probably due to concerns by the FIM regarding the activities of One Sport and FIM Europe. Those minor events are probably believed not to be worth pursuing especially since there's a difference between minor local events in Germany and events that are televised across Europe. Regarding linking the pairs to actual teams, Zielona Gora and Leszno's sponsors are both involved. LInk Trans MF to Smolinski's German club and you're halfway there. There's more money in using sponsors' names of course. #Let's make money and pretend we're helping a sport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 49 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: It is probably due to concerns by the FIM regarding the activities of One Sport and FIM Europe. Those minor events are probably believed not to be worth pursuing especially since there's a difference between minor local events in Germany and events that are televised across Europe. Regarding linking the pairs to actual teams, Zielona Gora and Leszno's sponsors are both involved. LInk Trans MF to Smolinski's German club and you're halfway there. There's more money in using sponsors' names of course. #Let's make money and pretend we're helping a sport! Someone needs to be making money, be it a rider, club or promoter. If a promoter is making money, thats good because he then has the desire to make things happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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