OAP concessions, why?

[wealdstone]

39 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

From what I've seen its 70 percent oap and 30 the rest...   The oap queue is far far the longest at the entrance

 

1 hour ago, iris123 said:

One of the best and as ever from you,fairest posts on the thread.

It is a reasonable topic to hold.It is fair to ask why a certain group in society receive such a benefit across the board.I mean a millionaire pensioner gets in at a reduced price,not only for speedway,whereas someone of say 30 years old who is working in a poorly paid job has to pay full whack.We even get,although I guess it was tongue in check,someone saying kids should also pay.Students also often get reduced prices,but some students are sons and daughters of millionaires and some even millionaires in their own right.The fair way would be to have people pay at the level their bank balance allows,but is impossible to police.

 

You do also point out that some,like your friends think,maybe rightly, that reductions for pensioners are has more to do with recognition of their contribution to society.Maybe that was one of the reasons years ago to do with those who fought for the country etc.But a lot of those benefit scroungers from the 70s are now pensioners,who hardly contributed a thing to the country.If they take their reduction away,as you say,regardless of their wealth,they won't go.Rather like some of these ex-riders,who maybe turned out half a dozen times for a club won't go unless they get in for nowt!!! 

Does anybody seriously think that SCB "just raised the issue" I certainly don't

[iris123]

I think he saw what he thought was a relevant article in the news and then made a thread out if it,like many hundreds of others have done on different topics.That is to an extent what this forum is about,surely?

[wealdstone]

You are entitled to your opinion  but I think he had an axe to grind

[iris123]

Does that matter?You still have to look at the topic and ask yourself 'is there a point worth discussing'?I agree with Halifaxtiger,that some people have aimed abuse at scb for no real good reason

 

As I have said,if the oap reduction is a sort of mark of respect for all the years of service to club and country,then I wouldn't argue against it

Edited January 14, 2018 by iris123

[wealdstone]

Unfortunately in my view topics like these are raised  not for a general discussion but through resentment that some get  a benefit not available to others.

Edited January 14, 2018 by wealdstone

[BurntFaceMan]

The entire sport is made up of OAP's now. Should give the discounts to the younguns

[Gemini]

14 hours ago, Coventry_Bee said:

I am pretty sure at Coventry, They got rid of the concessions and it caused a few people not to go any more. At one stage I am sure they messed about with student discounts as well, I remember it getting messy. 

2016 wasn't it? Got rid of concessions and made it cheaper for families and students. Would be interesting to know if the idea worked and encouraged more students and children to attend because it certainly upset a lot of OAP's who had supported the Bees for years. Like you say quite a lot refused to go any more but that would probably please SCB with less old people cluttering up the place with their fold up chairs.

[NeilWatson]

7 hours ago, Gemini said:

2016 wasn't it? Got rid of concessions and made it cheaper for families and students. Would be interesting to know if the idea worked and encouraged more students and children to attend because it certainly upset a lot of OAP's who had supported the Bees for years. Like you say quite a lot refused to go any more but that would probably please SCB with less old people cluttering up the place with their fold up chairs.

Dont forget that when we removed the senior admission rate at Coventry we reduced the price of adult admission as well as allowing all children in free. It did increase overall attendance.

Edited January 15, 2018 by NeilWatson
Typo

[wealdstone]

2 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

Dont forget that when we removed the senior admission rate at Coventry we reduced the price of adult admission as well as allowing all children in free. It did increase overall attendance.

Did it increase income as well?

[NeilWatson]

1 hour ago, wealdstone said:

Did it increase income as well?

No, as the reduction in adult admission price outweighed the increase in senior admission as there was, contary to popular opinion, always many more paying adults than seniors. Increasing income wasnt the point of the exercise though, it was to encourage parents to come and bring their children, and it succeeded in that aim.

[jrs]

The problem with generalisations is that they are subjective. If you take all statistics and mean averages into account you will almost certainly end up with only one person whose situation exactly reflects the result of those statistics and averages. Everybody is influenced by their own personal needs and circumstances and priorities especially when it comes to leisure expenditure. To apply fairness into senior admission discounts promoters would have to apply a means test system, which rightly without doubt would infuriate people and lose even more supporters.

Naturally everybody has to judge for themselves the values that they apply to the admission prices.

 

 

 

[blueherb777]

On 12/01/2018 at 4:17 PM, SCB said:

So why? Because they're certainly not poor. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/11/pensioner-incomes-rise-graduate-starting-salaries-first-time/

With the amount of posts you have made,I was sure you were of pensionable age ? 

Strange that  

[Crump99]

11 hours ago, Gemini said:

2016 wasn't it? Got rid of concessions and made it cheaper for families and students. Would be interesting to know if the idea worked and encouraged more students and children to attend because it certainly upset a lot of OAP's who had supported the Bees for years. Like you say quite a lot refused to go any more but that would probably please SCB with less old people cluttering up the place with their fold up chairs.

Glasgow seem to have gone the same way:

"In 2018 Standard adult tickets have also been reduced to £17, with the removal of concession pricing. Club co-owner Gerry Facenna explains: “It’s not a decision we have taken lightly. We already have a lot of over 65’s who pay for a full price ticket as they can afford it and know the club is losing money. We’re extremely grateful to our fans, they understand the situation at the club and have the club’s best interest at heart.”

" In 2018, kids under 12 go free at Glasgow Tigers! Alongside this, student prices have been reduced to £10 for those with a valid student ID card. These steps have been taken in the hope that it will encourage the next generation of speedway fans here in Glasgow and maintain the legacy of the sport for years to come.  "

So short term numbers don't mean too much, it's whether there is a long term increase and these freebies and reductions return as paying regulars over the next decade or longer? All other tracks seem to offer concessins in 2018 which tells you what you need to know perhaps?

Edited January 15, 2018 by Crump99

[The Cheese]

You could have a £10 price for OAPs but with additional extras such as;

• Fold up chair £5
• Flask £1
• Sandwiches - will be inspected for quality at entrance and given a rating. National League standard £1, Championship £2, Premiership £3
• Cap with badges on £5
• Wulfsport coat - £50

[Baldyman]

How much to bring their knitting in?

[wealdstone]

At the time Coventry tried to justify what they had done by quoting some obscure Quango that suggested that Pensioners were better off than others.

[hrhbig]

1 hour ago, The Cheese said:

You could have a £10 price for OAPs but with additional extras such as;

• Fold up chair £5
• Flask £1
• Sandwiches - will be inspected for quality at entrance and given a rating. National League standard £1, Championship £2, Premiership £3
• Cap with badges on £5
• Wulfsport coat - £50

If these charges are introduced , I could offer, at very reasonable prices  a  "smuggle your stuff in service" (four course meals excepted)

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, Baldyman said:

How much to bring their knitting in?

Very clever use of the word "their" when we really know that it's an enquiry for yourself  

[Baldyman]

More of a cross stich person myself

 

There is a lady at foxhall that brings her knitting.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Baldyman

[Gemini]

4 hours ago, blueherb777 said:

With the amount of posts you have made,I was sure you were of pensionable age ? 

Strange that  

No he is just a disgruntled 30 something. Wish I could be around if/when he reaches old age.