Halifaxtiger Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, SCB said: Of course it’s about Aussies (Russians, Argentinians and Americans) because they need work permits. Sadly we can’t do anything about dross like Jan Graversen and Rafal Konopka. Cameron Heeps is British. Or at least British parents or something. He come in a 3 point average. Again, not a lot that can be done about him. It’s sickening that as a sport we’re insentivizing the signing of foreigners. That’s actually illegal. Yet the sport is doing it and two promoters have put out press releasing saying as much. Do it the other way around and people cry racist and point it that’s illegal but here we are lowering the assessed average figure to encourage more foreigners ffs! I just don’t get how anyone can defend and justify that but here we have a thread with people going it and a sport with promoters actively doing it. Give it a few years when all British riders have been forced out and the same promoters will be asking why the sport is dead in this county. Of course we do can something about them. Whether they need work permits or not, no club is forced to sign them instead of a British rider. Cameron Heeps requires a work permit and does not have British parents. The only reason he got a 3.00 average was one of the NL's notorious bent deals involving the BSPA, Mildenhall, Ipswich & Rye House. I completely agree about putting British lads first. The question is why is it the case that so many clubs do not do that (and I genuinely don't know the answer) ? I can see why Workington are keeping Campton this season but if you had asked me at the beginning of 2017 you might have got a very different answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: Of course we do can something about them. Whether they need work permits or not, no club is forced to sign them instead of a British rider. Cameron Heeps requires a work permit and does not have British parents. The only reason he got a 3.00 average was one of the NL's notorious bent deals involving the BSPA, Mildenhall, Ipswich & Rye House. I completely agree about putting British lads first. The question is why is it the case that so many clubs do not do that (and I genuinely don't know the answer) ? I can see why Workington are keeping Campton this season but if you had asked me at the beginning of 2017 you might have got a very different answer. Cameron Heeps does not require a visa He has patriality via family heritage I think the Kurtz bros along with some others (Morris?) have similar Agree with you re Campton. He had not impressed me at all before last season but in 2017 upped his game significantly What that does show is that when a rider is given time they can improve and become solid team members at the very least. Unfortunately such opportunities are not as often afforded to the British riders in the same way as those from abroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 These young brits without a team place i wonder how much comes down to pay demands ? i know from a very good source there was a reserve in the championship last season on a £300 wage before any points scored and finished with just over a 2 point average . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, highside said: These young brits without a team place i wonder how much comes down to pay demands ? i know from a very good source there was a reserve in the championship last season on a £300 wage before any points scored and finished with just over a 2 point average . Davey in the SS says having a place in Swindon and Birmingham he can affordto be a full time speedway rider.Tells all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, highside said: These young brits without a team place i wonder how much comes down to pay demands ? i know from a very good source there was a reserve in the championship last season on a £300 wage before any points scored and finished with just over a 2 point average . That has been common practice for low end riders for many years, even draft riders were on a guaranteed minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 22 hours ago, foamfence said: That has been common practice for low end riders for many years, even draft riders were on a guaranteed minimum. Yeah, a minimum of £120. Despicable they get paid such luxurious amounts of money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Not being funny but id expect riders who aren't championship league heat leaders to have to have jobs outside of speedway to make it pay. i do feel sorry for joe jacobs as a 24 yo english lad not getting a ride. Announcing retirement though makes me question how much he really wanted it! If you want it enough then you don't quit. Its ok to not want it! but if he had to he could have rode nl and waited for an opportunity. as long as he was close to breaking even then he could have rode himself into a team place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Danny Connor said: Not being funny but id expect riders who aren't championship league heat leaders to have to have jobs outside of speedway to make it pay. i do feel sorry for joe jacobs as a 24 yo english lad not getting a ride. Announcing retirement though makes me question how much he really wanted it! If you want it enough then you don't quit. Its ok to not want it! but if he had to he could have rode nl and waited for an opportunity. as long as he was close to breaking even then he could have rode himself into a team place. agree, there isn't the money for pro riders in the 2nd div unless they d/u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 08/01/2018 at 1:44 PM, SCB said: What makes Campton a special case? Is he sleeping with someone at immigration? I’m not fully up to speed on the details, but I believe results in previous Australian state championships are taken into account — the target might be a top four spot, someone on here such as Tsunami will know. Campton confirmed at the end of season Comets awards night that he had a visa for 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ch958 said: agree, there isn't the money for pro riders in the 2nd div unless they d/u Or get a job outside of speedway. If you enjoy it you make it work. Surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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