foamfence Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I see he has announced his retirement on Twitter. Assuming this isn't another Josh Bates style incident, then it's certainly a shame. There is something very wrong when our own riders can't get a place or can't double-up, yet quite a few untried or low grade overseas riders will be in the starting line-ups and plenty of overseas riders will be doubling-up. Priority should be with all home riders until they all have a place. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Shame to see, but there's some who will tell you there's a rider shortage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Too true. any Brit should have his average reduced by one point / month until he is employed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 The positive initiatives of the last few years have now all been ditched The draft was far from perfect but that was due to the selfish implementation rather than the ideal The raising of starting average for visa riders and that ALL none Brits could not fall below 5 The min 2 Brits per team Brit only No7 in the 2nd tier Short sighted..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, scaramanga said: riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 We have an obsession with employing 2 rate foreigners thinking they will be world champions in a couple of seasons.Would like to know how much financial difference to employ them, cheaper or more expensive! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 i never said i supported mason being back i just defended him saying he was better than some that dont get knocked and up untill the end of last season id have given joe jacobs a try in place of mason but like i have said for joe mason has had a couple of years at workington and finally started to show he can do a job on his day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, SCB said: While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits. And in the SS it mentions how loads of riders have had/are having their averages re-assessed to encourage teams to bring them over and make them assets.... Some teams have already started filling their spaces with 'gambles'.... More to come I would suggest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, scaramanga said: riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string Being in a team for a few years in a row did Ashley Morris a load of good, it'd do Joe Jacobs a lot of good also, he's a rider I'd have like to have seen at Newcastle, especially if we went down the 2 4.00 reserves route... Shame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, SCB said: While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits. While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders. Because if they do happen to make it, at least they're British and we stand to gain. It must also be cheaper to employ a rider who lives 10-100 miles away that one who lives in another country. Being British they're also likely to hang around as long as they're employed, foreigners decide on a whim they're not riding in the UK until it suits them at a later date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Some riders need time to settle in and most clubs can not afford the luxury of doing it as they want results asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders. I totally agree. Is it not time that the sport in this country looked after its own. It is becoming slightly frustrating that the up and coming riders who really deserve the backing are cast aside and the British promoters are falling over themselves to bring in overseas riders who cannot generally hold down a team place in their own back yard. People might winge about the old foggies who harp on about the 70’s and 80’s but back then the decent promoters took pride in home grown talent and we did see some real British characters. No point in naming them because most will know who they were. Sad that today few have the courage to take on riders and build for the future. That is one of the reasons why support is dwindling. Promoters think on. You have lost the plot and are signing the death warrant of this once great sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Sad to see Joe has retired 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 In fairness Joe Jacobs was never going to be more than a 6pt 2nd Division rider at the very most! But he's had less chances than many 2nd/3rd rate foriegners! If he'd of been about in the 1970's Joe would of had more rides for teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, 25yearfan said: In fairness Joe Jacobs was never going to be more than a 6pt 2nd Division rider at the very most! But he's had less chances than many 2nd/3rd rate foriegners! If he'd of been about in the 1970's Joe would of had more rides for teams! Why wasn't? Hes got a 5 point EL average a few season ago and that was after a season out of the sport. HE may have actually been a decent Premiership rider given the same opportunities that some frankly quite rubbish foreigners have had. It's disgusting that the work permit regulations say that riders can only get a work permit if EU riders of the same level cannot do the job but here we have Mason Campton and Josh Pickering with jobs over here. It's a joke. You'd think after things were clamped down on a couple of season ago clubs would be a bit careful about ignoring the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said: While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders. 1 hour ago, SCB said: Because if they do happen to make it, at least they're British and we stand to gain. It must also be cheaper to employ a rider who lives 10-100 miles away that one who lives in another country. Being British they're also likely to hang around as long as they're employed, foreigners decide on a whim they're not riding in the UK until it suits them at a later date. Not so sure you have answered the question as intended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Hodgy said: Not so sure you have answered the question as intended. Because foreign dross bugger off home after a couple of years because it can't get work permits and it doesn't pay for them to be speedway riders. At least our own dross can choose to do it as a hobby and it more likely to still be here in a few years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, SCB said: Because foreign dross bugger off home after a couple of years because it can't get work permits and it doesn't pay for them to be speedway riders. At least our own dross can choose to do it as a hobby and it more likely to still be here in a few years time. Which again begs the question, therefore why do they often choose the more expensive, ‘foreign dross’ option? I think we are agreeing with you, just discussing the reasoning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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