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I see he has announced his retirement on Twitter. Assuming this isn't another Josh Bates style incident, then it's certainly a shame. There is something very wrong when our own riders can't get a place or can't double-up, yet quite a few untried or low grade overseas riders will be in the starting line-ups and plenty of overseas riders will be doubling-up. Priority should be with all home riders until they all have a place.

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The positive initiatives of the last few years have now all been ditched

The draft was far from perfect but that was due to the selfish implementation rather than the ideal

The raising of starting average for visa riders and that ALL none Brits could not fall below 5

The min 2 Brits per team

Brit only No7 in the 2nd tier

Short sighted.....

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riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for

im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level

im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string

 

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4 minutes ago, scaramanga said:

riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for

im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level

im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string

 

While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits.

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i never said i supported mason being back

i just defended him saying he was better than some that dont get knocked

and up untill the end of last season id have given joe jacobs a try in place of mason

but like i have said for joe mason has had a couple of years at workington and finally started to show he can do a job on his day

 

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3 minutes ago, SCB said:

While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits.

And in the SS it mentions how loads of riders have had/are having their averages re-assessed to encourage teams to bring them over and make them assets....

Some teams have already started filling their spaces with 'gambles'....

More to come I would suggest...

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19 minutes ago, scaramanga said:

riders lke joe jacobs i feel sorry for

im sure if joe has a run of 2 or 3 seasons with the right club/clubs and he has the right finacial backing then im sure he could compette ata a decent level

im not saying hes gonna be a 7 point championship rider but on his day hes more than capable of compeating as a 2nd string

 

Being in a team for a few years in a row did Ashley Morris a load of good, it'd do Joe Jacobs a lot of good also, he's a rider I'd have like to have seen at Newcastle, especially if we went down the 2 4.00 reserves route... Shame :(

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40 minutes ago, SCB said:

While you support Mason Campton being back in the UK after failing time after time you can't complain about Joe Jacobs not getting a job. Some of us have complained for a long time that foreign dross gets in at the expense of Brits.

While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders.

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12 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders.

Because if they do happen to make it, at least they're British and we stand to gain. It must also be cheaper to employ a rider who lives 10-100 miles away that one who lives in another country. Being British they're also likely to hang around as long as they're employed, foreigners decide on a whim they're not riding in the UK until it suits them at a later date.

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12 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said:

While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders.

I totally agree. Is it not time that the sport in this country looked after its own. It is becoming slightly frustrating that the up and coming riders who really deserve the backing are cast aside and the British promoters are falling over themselves to bring in overseas riders who cannot generally hold down a team place in their own back yard. People might winge about the old foggies who harp on about the 70’s and 80’s but back then the decent promoters took pride in home grown talent and we did see some real British characters. No point in naming them because most will know who they were. Sad that today few have the courage to take on riders and build for the future. That is one of the reasons why support is dwindling. Promoters think on. You have lost the plot and are signing the death warrant of this once great sport.

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6 minutes ago, 25yearfan said:

In fairness Joe Jacobs was never going to be more than a 6pt 2nd Division rider at the very most!

 

But he's had less chances than many 2nd/3rd rate foriegners!

 

If he'd of been about in the 1970's Joe would of had more rides for teams! 

Why wasn't? Hes got a 5 point EL average a few season ago and that was after a season out of the sport. HE may have actually been a decent Premiership rider given the same opportunities that some frankly quite rubbish foreigners have had.

It's disgusting that the work permit regulations say that riders can only get a work permit if EU riders of the same level cannot do the job but here we have Mason Campton and Josh Pickering with jobs over here. It's a joke. You'd think after things were clamped down on a couple of season ago clubs would be a bit careful about ignoring the rules.

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1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said:

While I very much see your point here, you have to ask why 'foreign dross' is preferred to British riders.

 

1 hour ago, SCB said:

Because if they do happen to make it, at least they're British and we stand to gain. It must also be cheaper to employ a rider who lives 10-100 miles away that one who lives in another country. Being British they're also likely to hang around as long as they're employed, foreigners decide on a whim they're not riding in the UK until it suits them at a later date.

Not so sure you have answered the question as intended. 

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1 minute ago, Hodgy said:

 

Not so sure you have answered the question as intended. 

Because foreign dross bugger off home after a couple of years because it can't get work permits and it doesn't pay for them to be speedway riders. At least our own dross can choose to do it as a hobby and it more likely to still be here in a few years time.

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26 minutes ago, SCB said:

Because foreign dross bugger off home after a couple of years because it can't get work permits and it doesn't pay for them to be speedway riders. At least our own dross can choose to do it as a hobby and it more likely to still be here in a few years time.

Which again begs the question, therefore why do they often choose the more expensive, ‘foreign dross’ option? I think we are agreeing with you, just discussing the reasoning. 

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