THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sotonian said: Nail on the head again Dean but is anybody listening? a few but not many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, teaboy279 said: What is obvious to me is that National League clubs need to be sat at the BSPA AGM and not set aside. Radical changes are needed but that won't be achieved with the current system. The next BSPA major vote should be, picking someone to employ as Independent Chairman and let them start making decisions. The current system works for no one, decisions by comitee always leaves diluted solutions. Cant see that happening as the NL clubs don't pay the 'entry' fees that the Premiership and Championship clubs do. An independent chairman is a good idea in principle but who is going to fund this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jayne said: Cant see that happening as the NL clubs don't pay the 'entry' fees that the Premiership and Championship clubs do. An independent chairman is a good idea in principle but who is going to fund this? I don't know what sort of wage a role like that would command. But it will only be funded in house, and there in lays the problem. One thing I believe could bring in extra funds is by offering out title league sponsorship for free for the remainder of the year, and see if that could secure a full paying sponsor next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 The Dean Machine and Sotonian clearly have no understanding of riders. Unlike all other forms or motor sport which people get involved in as hobbies and pastimes, Speedway demands that you appear as and when required at tracks all over the country on any day of the week. This makes it very hard to hold down a full time job. Not impossible of course but the interference in the day to day working life must create a loss of wages when the rider is on his bike. As another side issue, Speedway is far and away the most dangerous of all motor sports. ALL riders get injured on a regular basis. No help in any sort of outside career. Yet the previously mentioned correspondents begrudge them earning a crust. Shame on you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, East End Fan said: The Dean Machine and Sotonian clearly have no understanding of riders. Unlike all other forms or motor sport which people get involved in as hobbies and pastimes, Speedway demands that you appear as and when required at tracks all over the country on any day of the week. This makes it very hard to hold down a full time job. Not impossible of course but the interference in the day to day working life must create a loss of wages when the rider is on his bike. As another side issue, Speedway is far and away the most dangerous of all motor sports. ALL riders get injured on a regular basis. No help in any sort of outside career. Yet the previously mentioned correspondents begrudge them earning a crust. Shame on you. Wow , clearly I have no idea, sorry for my saying my non understanding view now where did I put that teeshirt ? Edited June 14, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, East End Fan said: The Dean Machine and Sotonian clearly have no understanding of riders. Um ... Dean (Felton) is an ex-rider! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, *JJ said: Um ... Dean (Felton) is an ex-rider! and one of the most clued up sensible posters on here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, ch958 said: and one of the most clued up sensible posters on here Not difficult! 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, ch958 said: and one of the most clued up sensible posters on here I wouldn’t go that far lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 thanks for the reply jayne , good luck for the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 19 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: where does it say if you ride a speedway bike you have to make money at it ? costs to riders are what they are and that is vastly inflated by themselves having all the latest bling that isn't needed , ive seen riders lately buy a complete new set of rear sprockets and then sell them for another set because they changed the colour scheme ,not cause the sprockets were worn or in some cases even used but because hey the fans will pay for it, strangely you don't hear motox riders saying they want paying cause their costs have risen, I know exactly what the costs are but if you don't like it then go do something else, sick to death of hearing this costs this and this costs that, go do some other motorsport and tell the organisers you want paying because the price of diesel has risen or you just had an engine serviced, they will tell you to go away, we are talking about the lowest league riders and they want paying about £300 to do something they supposedly love, they should be greatful they have a league to ride in, ive tried to put forward ideas to reduce the costs to the riders but they are not interested and give a million reasons why they need this and that, if your big sprinter van doesn't do 40mpg get a smaller van that does or cant you fit the girlfriend in the back ? Do you enjoy Holland's pies and pints of beer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, acef said: Do you enjoy Holland's pies and pints of beer? I have absolutely no idea what that means ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 22 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: where does it say if you ride a speedway bike you have to make money at it ? costs to riders are what they are and that is vastly inflated by themselves having all the latest bling that isn't needed , ive seen riders lately buy a complete new set of rear sprockets and then sell them for another set because they changed the colour scheme ,not cause the sprockets were worn or in some cases even used but because hey the fans will pay for it, strangely you don't hear motox riders saying they want paying cause their costs have risen, I know exactly what the costs are but if you don't like it then go do something else, sick to death of hearing this costs this and this costs that, go do some other motorsport and tell the organisers you want paying because the price of diesel has risen or you just had an engine serviced, they will tell you to go away, we are talking about the lowest league riders and they want paying about £300 to do something they supposedly love, they should be greatful they have a league to ride in, ive tried to put forward ideas to reduce the costs to the riders but they are not interested and give a million reasons why they need this and that, if your big sprinter van doesn't do 40mpg get a smaller van that does or cant you fit the girlfriend in the back ? Dean, how old was you when you started riding speedway, & got paid ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, proud panther said: Dean, how old was you when you started riding speedway, & got paid ? 23 I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: 23 I think Did you ever have ambition to be the best, or was it a paid hobby for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 minute ago, proud panther said: Did you ever have ambition to be the best, or was it a paid hobby for you ? I had Ambition to be the best up until I left Berwick in 2000 and then I just did it for fun after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I respect Deans opinion even though it is a while since he has ridden speedway ...But as in all sport to get to the top which is the aim of most sportsmen ,,firstly you need talent ,enthusiasm,dedication,,,and the best equipment you can get including the best tuners,,...This unfortunately in speedway costs loads of money ,,Many talented lads have failed because of that fact alone......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 14, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, waco said: I respect Deans opinion even though it is a while since he has ridden speedway ...But as in all sport to get to the top which is the aim of most sportsmen ,,firstly you need talent ,enthusiasm,dedication,,,and the best equipment you can get including the best tuners,,...This unfortunately in speedway costs loads of money ,,Many talented lads have failed because of that fact alone......... Don’t get me wrong, although it may come across that I’m out to get at riders I’m not, this is about the bigger picture of the future of the sport, the fact is the crowds are getting smaller and the money is getting less, now we can all blame the bspa or cradley or Donald trump or whoever you want but the fact still remains we are where we are and now buxton are struggling to field a team because of riders demands , my angle on this far too much is spent on unnecessary equipment by the riders, there is no need for a lot of it but riders want it and believe they need it and so pushing costs up and who funds the costs? The fans who are not turning up, the sport as a whole needs to get a grip on costs and machinery but to get this to happen is like pulling teeth, there are many people in the sport who don’t understand or just turn a blind eye to just how bad things are financially at some clubs, we are slowly dying and as painful as it is, we need to take steps to address this and we are not doing anything and I can honestly say the sport I love and have devoted my life too sometimes deserves to die, it is it’s own worst enemy, I listen to riders talk about money from speedway and quite frankly they couldn’t care less if a club shut down as long as they got their money, i know it costs a fortune to race, when i was in the premier league I spent a fortune on engine bills with top tuners like blomfeldt and bullet and I still have the eye watering bills even by today’s standard and I was on piss poor money , infact it was less than national league riders today and I lost £1000s but that’s what I had to do, i didnt spend on unnecerary bits that I couldn’t afford , you could argue that I didn’t make it but it wasn’t through lack of ambition or money, I rode against some big names and rode in all 3 leagues but at the end of the day I didn’t have enough talent but I never set out to or expected to earn a living from speedway, I was in it to be the best, I suppose world champion in some fairyland day dreams and when that didn’t happen I just decided to change the way I approached speedway and had a blast , just want to add my finest moment was I beat Nicki Pedersen and there ain’t many riders in the sport who can claim that lol. One other point I have made before is you get the best 10 NL riders on the best bikes money can buy v Jason Doyle on a 10 year old GM who will win ? Until the day comes when it’s a NL rider wins then I will keep plugging my point about unnecerary costs, we could just ignore the whole thing and put £5 rise on admission for the fans Edited June 14, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 As I’ve said before I’ve been crucified on social media from some quarters and that’s fine I’m not bothered by it but the bit that grates is I may be in the wrong and my thoughts my not be a way forward but nobody is doing anything, we are plodding on piddling about with rule adjustments, nobody is getting hold of the sport, so if your going to say I’m wrong then at least offer some alternative , the sport needs structure and strict machine and finance control 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 One things for certain and i agree with Dean on this,,, costs in all areas of the sport need to come down dramatically if the sport is to survive.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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