PHILIPRISING Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 DEPENDS what your definition of contradiction is in this case. Mind is obviously different to many here but, no matter, we all have own own opinions. As far as I am concerned rules should encourage progress, to make the sport, in this case speedway, as good and simple as possible, to encourage those involved to aspire to the highest levels. The opposite is currently the case which as far as I'm concerned is a contradiction. But it's hardly worth an argument about semantics and if my interpretation doesn't align with yours that's fine. Mine is that the current regulations do more harm than good, starting with the one eight point rider per team fiasco. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: DEPENDS what your definition of contradiction is in this case. Mind is obviously different to many here but, no matter, we all have own own opinions. As far as I am concerned rules should encourage progress, to make the sport, in this case speedway, as good and simple as possible, to encourage those involved to aspire to the highest levels. The opposite is currently the case which as far as I'm concerned is a contradiction. But it's hardly worth an argument about semantics and if my interpretation doesn't align with yours that's fine. Mine is that the current regulations do more harm than good, starting with the one eight point rider per team fiasco. Totally agree with you about the one over 8, why don't you use the SS to expose those that proposed it and then voted for it, if they think it's is such a good idea they don't need to hide and should welcome the opportunity to explain themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 I feel speedway rules change too much. Because I can't recount every change doesn't mean I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Red Flag said: Totally agree with you about the one over 8, why don't you use the SS to expose those that proposed it and then voted for it, if they think it's is such a good idea they don't need to hide and should welcome the opportunity to explain themselves DO you honestly think the BSPA would tell us? As I wrote in SS, more secret than North Korea. One thing his for certain... Chris Van Straaten didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: DEPENDS what your definition of contradiction is in this case. Mind is obviously different to many here but, no matter, we all have own own opinions. As far as I am concerned rules should encourage progress, to make the sport, in this case speedway, as good and simple as possible, to encourage those involved to aspire to the highest levels. The opposite is currently the case which as far as I'm concerned is a contradiction. But it's hardly worth an argument about semantics and if my interpretation doesn't align with yours that's fine. Mine is that the current regulations do more harm than good, starting with the one eight point rider per team fiasco. This is not a matter of 'opinion'. What is it with speedway fans who think they can spout things that are factually wrong and hide behind 'opinion'. Nothing bad about being wrong, you simply hold your hand up, learn and move on. What really makes folk look foolish is when they are shown to be wrong and continue to trot out the 'opinion' line.. generally then followed by abuse. In this case, you've completely changed your argument. It is your opinion that the current regulations do more harm than good. That is fair enough, it is an opinion. Whether that opinion has any weight behind it would be determined by WHY you think they do more harm than good.. but an opinion nonetheless. However, your initial statement was something very different when you stated that many rules contradicted each other. It is nothing to do with an argument about semantics, you were asked to name ONE rule (bearing in mind you said there were many) and have failed to do so. Now, even more bizarrely you seem to be claiming you are speaking a different language to the rest of us and have your own definition of what contradiction means? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Contradicting, chaotic, confusing, constantly changing year on year or even more, I am of average intelligence but gave up trying to make sense of the rules many years ago....just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Halifaxtiger Posted January 2, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 On 31/12/2017 at 6:05 PM, SCB said: The very fact that people people harp on about complex rules and contradictions but are never able to list any says it all. It's a lie, a myth, a red herring. What is an issue is the wilful ignorance of the rules by the powers that be and the way any rule can be ignored if someone with enough power doesn't like it. Or the fact that some teams have signed riders on an old average from 2018 while others have signed riders on a converted average from another league thats more recent but nobody in power is explaining why. Maybe if the BSPA twitter had not blocked so many people we could ask them, but then asking them questions is a blockable offence it would seem! Dead right and that is what sticks in my craw more than anything else. We can all debate the rules that apply to speedway but, however controversial they might be, they can at least be applied consistently by an unbiased, impartial adjudicator. Simple truth is, though, all too often they are not. They are subject to inconsistent, arbitrary, incompetent and illegal rulings by interested parties - parties whose identities are hidden and whose reasons are rarely disclosed. That is almost totally contrary to our system of law and breeds frustration and anger amongst not just fans but officials of clubs as well. Isle of Wight asked for average reduction for Harland Cook last season, a rider who had been out of the sport for years,. They were refused, despite the precedent set for David Wallinger and Luke Clifton the previous season. Later in 2017 Paul Hurry was given an average reduction of almost 3 points, two clubs having been quoted an average in excess of 10.50 during the close season. Matt Marson, who has never ridden in Britain and has a British passport, was at one point graded at a 5.00 - which doesn't even exist in the NL rulebook. You can only believe that such rulings are motivated by spite, jealousy, backscratching and one-upmanship. People can complain about the rulebook and individual rules as much as they like but until its contents are applied consistently, fairly and openly by an independent arbitrator we might as well not have one. 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: DEPENDS what your definition of contradiction is in this case. Mind is obviously different to many here but, no matter, we all have own own opinions. As far as I am concerned rules should encourage progress, to make the sport, in this case speedway, as good and simple as possible, to encourage those involved to aspire to the highest levels. The opposite is currently the case which as far as I'm concerned is a contradiction. But it's hardly worth an argument about semantics and if my interpretation doesn't align with yours that's fine. Mine is that the current regulations do more harm than good, starting with the one eight point rider per team fiasco. At least you have changed your tack so much that it now makes some sense. The original glib statements. So oft repeated, were just incorrect. Not semantics or opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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