guitar_art Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 http://www.birminghambrummies.co/news.php?extend.2555 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 I'd like to see 'JPB' wearing it! : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 We will find out in the next few days whether the BSPA deem it in the best interests of British Speedway to set an average that allows JPB to be signed up by the Brummies for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) JPB should've been first name down imo ! Having said that, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes....I'm sure the 'new' boss wants to put his own mark on things! It looks like we'll miss out on him this season though! Edited December 12, 2017 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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uk_martin Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Exactly, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe he's been getting lessons on how to act as a big fish in a small pond and how to act like the next superstar by playing the clubs off against each other...maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Exactly, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe he's been getting lessons on how to act as a big fish in a small pond and how to act like the next superstar by playing the clubs off against each other...maybe? I think most likely that he's hoping for a big sponsorship deal which he needs in order for him to take his career to the next level? And to be fair....he is a 'massive' fish in a very small pond imo......he's the future of British speedway ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 hours ago, GiveusaB said: And to be fair....he is a 'massive' fish in a very small pond imo......he's the future of British speedway ! Also to be fair ... one of several. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 . he's the future of British speedway ! Thats a heavy burden for one so young to be asked to carry the future of British speedway all on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 13/12/2017 at 9:10 PM, pete cc said: he's the future of British speedway ! Thats a heavy burden for one so young to be asked to carry the future of British speedway all on his own. As I said on another thread, the likes of Bartosz Zmarzlik, Maceij Janowski, Patryk Dudek, and the Pawlicki brothers were cuttung their teeth at the deep end from age 16 in Poland. The result is that Poland won the SWC with effectively an u23 team. Not to mention the success of their u21 team in their own event. I dare say that if the Poles put out an u19 or even an u17 team they would wipe the floor with all comers in those age groups too. That's what British riders need to emulate. Being up there with the best in the world, not the toddlers who get races stopped after half a lap because they can't stay on their bikes. It's no good wrapping them up in cotton wool and making them nice and comfortable in the kindergarten league. These young men need to mature improve and develop in a competitive environment that challenges them and improves them...all the way to the top. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) You do have to laugh a little bit when you read the nonsense often written about GB kids as they come through.. I was lucky enough to watch Joe Screen make his debut and the subsequent next few years where as a 16 -19 year old he rode against, and often beat, the very best riders in the World, who at the time remember, all rode in Britain every week. . Joe went on to reach Number Six in the World. No mean achievement but not 'World Beating'.. Nowadays some 16 year old kid who can ride well in the NL and hold down a place at reserve or at best second string in the lowest ever standard Championship and Premiership is considered by some a potential world beater... The reality is somewhat different.. Edited December 16, 2017 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 5 hours ago, mikebv said: You do have to laugh a little bit when you read the nonsense often written about GB kids as they come through.. I was lucky enough to watch Joe Screen make his debut and the subsequent next few years where as a 16 -19 year old he rode against, and often beat, the very best riders in the World, who at the time remember, all rode in Britain every week. . Joe went on to reach Number Six in the World. No mean achievement but not 'World Beating'.. Nowadays some 16 year old kid who can ride well in the NL and hold down a place at reserve or at best second string in the lowest ever standard Championship and Premiership is considered by some a potential world beater... The reality is somewhat different.. While that is true, what British speedway need if it is to survive is a dozen riders like Joe Jacobs and Stefan Nielsen. Paul Starke is as great example of a rider who took quite a long time to make the grade (which he did through hard work) that most supporters would be happy to see in their team. Up and coming riders don't need unrealistic expectations to live up to, equally they need to be given the space to learn at their own speed. One Dan Bewley is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, arnieg said: While that is true, what British speedway need if it is to survive is a dozen riders like Joe Jacobs and Stefan Nielsen. Paul Starke is as great example of a rider who took quite a long time to make the grade (which he did through hard work) that most supporters would be happy to see in their team. Up and coming riders don't need unrealistic expectations to live up to, equally they need to be given the space to learn at their own speed. One Dan Bewley is a bonus. If you are a fan of third league speedway and think that the future is in being third rate, then that's fine. Personally I'd like to see British speedway dining at the top table again. That means that the third league should only ever be a stepping stone onto greater things, that there should be no comfort zone, and that the cream be allowed to float to the top and not cheese-out at the lowest levels of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 But what does this (and your previous post) mean? What exactly are you proposing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) The relevance to this thread goes back to the second post. If JPB is not wearing the big red B next year, then we shoudn't mourn him. Let's hope for his sake and for the sake of the sport he can find his feet in the CL for 2018, to accept and flourish in his new environment and to continue to improve, which he'd be unlikely to do when faced with inferior opposition in the third league. We have a 39 point limit, and lets hope that this opens the door to budding new talent to be signed that can also progress, and when they outgrow the NL and fly the nest, let that be with our best wishes, not with some kind of resentment that the Brummies have lost a star. Edited December 16, 2017 by uk_martin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstraight Viewer Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) On 16/12/2017 at 7:24 AM, uk_martin said: If you are a fan of third league speedway and think that the future is in being third rate, then that's fine. Personally I'd like to see British speedway dining at the top table again. That means that the third league should only ever be a stepping stone onto greater things, that there should be no comfort zone, and that the cream be allowed to float to the top and not cheese-out at the lowest levels of the sport. So you are saying that riders like, Georgie Wood, Ben Hopwood, Mark Baseby, Jake Knight, Matt Williamson, Ben Morley, Jon Armstrong, Kelsey Dugard and Danny Ayres should be banned from riding National League because they are clearly not going to make it to the top now because if they were good enough they would have done it by now (best of luck telling Danny Ayres he can't ride). Also riders like Danyon Hume, Connor Mountain, JPB, Tom Brennan and Jordan Jenkins should only ride CL next season if they want to improve ? First of all where are all these 3 point riders coming from to replace the riders who shouldn't ride National League ? Secondly who is going to pay on average £12 per meeting to watch I'm sorry to say youngsters who don't have the experience to compete at that level yet and end up getting seriously injured? It's all well and good saying how things are in Poland but over there Clubs own there own tracks youngsters can go practice when they want Day or Night over here how many clubs here own there own tracks ? Also the sponsorship over there is far greater for young riders than it is here youngsters over here you have to remember have to stay in education until they are 18 meaning a Saturday job is not going to go very far when it comes to buying equipment etc and not every rider has rich parents to back them. The National League needs a mixture of ages and abilities to run Thats just my opinion Edited December 18, 2017 by Backstraight Viewer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 The riders have to fit in with the aims and objectives of the league, not the other way around. Too many years of the tail wagging the dog have done the sport no good at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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