Call me wolfie Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 It was after all only last year they wanted to make the 2 leagues closer, there seems to be no long term plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: Well I think they could of changed the rule as it only affected a couple of riders, can't see why not. If Morris can double up anyone should be able to. But it would have affected every team in the league when they were racing against a team with Nicholls and Kennett in it. Morris is quite entitled to double up as he rode in the Championship last season so qualified for a true average. I applaud the BSPA for sticking to their rules, yes there will be winners and losers but you can`t change to rules governing team building halfway especially after many teams are complete having been assembled under the rules. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Alan_Jones said: It's not a new rule, it's the reintroduction of a long standing rule. The mistake was in removing it for last season which only added to the disasterous level of doubling up. According to the BSPA statement it was reintroduced to regain a measure of control, but if that was the case then it should have reverted to it's original intent of blocking all riders over 6, with or without a CL average. agree,but that would have been too sensible for them.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, GWC said: Allowing Morris to double up is the joke of the season I’m afraid. Why single Morris out? He rode in the CL last season so is allowed to ride. I agree that ALL riders with a PL average of a particular value shouldn't be allowed to double-up (currently 6 I believe) and not just those that didn't ride CL last year but I think it is unfair to single out individual riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Badge said: All this hoohaa about Scott, whereas Edward seems to be keeping a very low profile!! Edwardkennett Retweeted scott nichollsVerified account @scottnicholls78 7 Dec 2017 More To say I’m shocked,totally confused & very disappointed by @SpeedwayGB rule change that has stopped me & Ed from doubling up is an understatement!Speedway is my passion but also my income! I have asked for an amendment to be made so I am hoping this takes place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Why couldnt they of reintroduced the rule to start from the end of the 2018 season thus giving all riders now the choice to decide that if they want to double up in future they are aware of what would be required to do so, not just do it now and have this situation that affects a few but not all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Why couldnt they of reintroduced the rule to start from the end of the 2018 season thus giving all riders now the choice to decide that if they want to double up in future they are aware of what would be required to do so, not just do it now and have this situation that affects a few but not all Because that takes common sense and foresight ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
startline sid Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Why couldnt they of reintroduced the rule to start from the end of the 2018 season thus giving all riders now the choice to decide that if they want to double up in future they are aware of what would be required to do so, not just do it now and have this situation that affects a few but not all Far too sensible thing to do - just can not believe some of the decisions ( 1 rider over 8 points) - they seem to want to self destruct the sport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 This debate shouldn't be about whether two riders should or should not be allowed to ride for two teams - it should be about whether ANY riders should! The whole situation is a complete farce and has spiralled out of control. The BSPA should at the very least be taking steps to gradually reduce the scope for allowing this nonsensical situation with a view to eventually eliminating it altogether - not trying to frame rules for extending it! Those riders who bleat that they must have two clubs "to make it pay" should spare a thought for all the riders who don't have a team at all - because they have two! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 41 minutes ago, Steve0 said: Why single Morris out? He rode in the CL last season so is allowed to ride. I agree that ALL riders with a PL average of a particular value shouldn't be allowed to double-up (currently 6 I believe) and not just those that didn't ride CL last year but I think it is unfair to single out individual riders. There are 9 riders who rode in last season's BPL who averaged 6+ and have been allowed to continue riding in next season's BCL because they have done so in the past. Edward Kennett rode for Berwick once but presumably did not do enough meetings to be given an average but he must have been given an assessed average otherwise he would not have been able to ride. Presumably Scott Nicholls has never been a full time member of a BCL team but as he was allowed to be a guest last season he should allowed to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Riders should be allowed to double up. I don't know what a rider like Scott Nicholls or Ed Kennett earn but they only have 30 meetings a year in the top division. Is that enough to give a rider in a very dangerous / expensive sport a decent wage. If there is a demand to see them race, and promotors would only employ riders like that, then why not let them do it in two leagues. Its brainless the BPSA seem to look after Aussie's and Danes better than home grown talent. Why ban two Brits needlessly as there is no cross over between the two leagues now. The reasons given for banning them just don't add up. The promotors moan about low gates, they cant make any money, but at the end of the day it's them who are bad businessmen and will run the sport into the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, brianbuck said: This debate shouldn't be about whether two riders should or should not be allowed to ride for two teams - it should be about whether ANY riders should! The whole situation is a complete farce and has spiralled out of control. The BSPA should at the very least be taking steps to gradually reduce the scope for allowing this nonsensical situation with a view to eventually eliminating it altogether - not trying to frame rules for extending it! Those riders who bleat that they must have two clubs "to make it pay" should spare a thought for all the riders who don't have a team at all - because they have two! This is what is causing the problem. Allowing Morris, Harris and another 7 riders to ride in the CL creates the problem - if all PL riders with an average over 6 were banned then there'd be no discrimination. Edited February 2, 2018 by SPEEDY69 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, SPEEDY69 said: This is what is causing the problem. Allowing Morris, Harris and Cook to rider on the CL creates the problem - if all PL riders with an average over 6 were banned then there'd be no discrimination. Correct ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just out of interest why didn't they ride in the championship last year. Was it they decided not to or they just couldn't get a ride. If it was the latter then they are being punished for not being able to find a club last year, but if it was the former you could say it's their own fault for not wanting to last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Surely Eddie Kennett is easy to sort out an average. Use his last PL(2nd tier) average x multiplier(1.1 or 0.8 etc) so his average is equal to the strength of the current CL. Scott Nicholls one for the statto's How many guest appearances did he make in the PL last year. If not enough matches to form an average. Work out his average per ride and multiply by 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, brianbuck said: This debate shouldn't be about whether two riders should or should not be allowed to ride for two teams - it should be about whether ANY riders should! The whole situation is a complete farce and has spiralled out of control. The BSPA should at the very least be taking steps to gradually reduce the scope for allowing this nonsensical situation with a view to eventually eliminating it altogether - not trying to frame rules for extending it! Those riders who bleat that they must have two clubs "to make it pay" should spare a thought for all the riders who don't have a team at all - because they have two! Yes, as the BSPA statement said it was one more step to reduce doubling up. That's the reason for rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 It's an easy one for me. If they are British they can ride in both divisions regardless of average. That's very easy to implement. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Easier answer - one big league! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: It's an easy one for me. If they are British they can ride in both divisions regardless of average. That's very easy to implement. Absolutely right. Plus a ban on non-EU riders doubling up. Good to see that Mr Masters is doing the decent thing now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 3, 2018 Report Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 02/02/2018 at 10:36 AM, Alan_Jones said: It's not a new rule, it's the reintroduction of a long standing rule. The mistake was in removing it for last season which only added to the disasterous level of doubling up. According to the BSPA statement it was reintroduced to regain a measure of control, but if that was the case then it should have reverted to it's original intent of blocking all riders over 6, with or without a CL average. Exactly. This rule has existed since the EL/PL were formed in 1997 (except the first 2 years it was 5.00 not 6.00). It wasn't in last season rulebook because no rider had an EL/Premiership average, all riders have Championship averages. So I'm not sure why people are so confused it exists. Personally, years ago I'd have blocked any rider with an EL (now Premiership) average of 6 or more from doubling up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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