cyclone Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 It's not as if Nicholls & Kennett are to be unemployed in 2018, and as things stand, some 2017 double uppers such as Jack Smith, Ricky Wells, Eric Riss will not be riding in both the PL &CL this Season. The statement on the BSPA website justifying the restriction on doubling UP " in order to gain more control of the doubling-up situation and begin steps to reduce the prospect of Premiership and Championship clubs looking too similar" seems reasonable. Allowing those who already double-upped in 2017 to continue to do so, also seems fair - a bit like the proposed residency criteria for Brexit eh And to remind all the "Brits First" brigade, it's not only Nicholls & Kennett that are prevented from doubling-up, so are the likes of Max Fricke, Rohan Tungate, Hans Andersen, and David Bellego etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 Doubling up was originally intended to give up and coming British riders the chance of experience in the top league without the risk of losing their 2nd tier place It soon mushroomed out of all recognition due to the usual self interest over riding a perfectly sensible original ethic If it is to stay long term lets go back to Brits only at anytime with restrictions to 1 or 2 years for non Brits (if at all) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Doubling up was originally intended to give up and coming British riders the chance of experience in the top league without the risk of losing their 2nd tier place It soon mushroomed out of all recognition due to the usual self interest over riding a perfectly sensible original ethic If it is to stay long term lets go back to Brits only at anytime with restrictions to 1 or 2 years for non Brits (if at all) Different environment when originally introduced as there was a larger pool of UK talent in the second tier of racing. Kennett & Nicholls would still not have been eligible as a) they can hardly now be described as "up and coming", and if iirc, b ) riders could only double up from their current second tier team to a top tier side, not double down from a current top tier side to a second tier team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 I do not understand why Scott is excluded as in theory he did double up albeit as guest for Sheffield and Ipswich. It might be down to the exact definition of double up. Is it permanent signing for a club for a full season or riding in both leagues possibly as a floater. Who knows the mysterious ways in which the rules are made and then interpreted. No wonder most supporters think the powers that Be have lost the plot. Bit like the number of meetings this season. Less means more. I doubt it. Simply putting ‘reserve dates’ in the list of meetings is a joke. Take a look at the number in the Ipswich schedule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 12 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I dont think Peterboroughs involvement has anything to do with it. They didnt get involved until many weeks after the original scenario unfolded.... I think Peterborough’s involvement has everything to do with it, you really don’t know the half of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, bigcatdiary said: I think Peterborough’s involvement has everything to do with it, you really don’t know the half of it. Fair enough BCD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 08/12/2017 at 11:02 AM, hyderd said: Why Nichols and Kennet, but not Morris who coincidentally has a higher average in the Prem than both Nichols and Kennet Because it's discrimination. Harris and Morris aren't even riding for the same CL sides as last year and were openly traded. I've seen favouritism for Harris before from the BSPA but not Morris. If all riders over 6 PL average were banned I could see that at least it would be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Exactly the point. If a rule is to be implemented it should apply to all riders fairly - 6 average or above no doubling up. Am I right in assuming that this rule will also stop Nicholls, Kennett and others with an average above 6 who are only riding in the Premiership from guesting in the Championship in 2018. Looking further ahead I reckon it's going to be an almighty mess in 2019 when riders have to choose which league to ride in - or possibly not as the rules will probably change again and again and again before then. For goodness sake BSPA get your act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: The Prem and the Champ might be to close,but it should be one rule for all.Scott 7.48.Bomber 7.63.If I was Scotty,i'd be miffed. I expect Scott would put it a bit stronger than miffed!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: I think Peterborough’s involvement has everything to do with it, you really don’t know the half of it. Yes I agree probably to get back at them for the Jack Holder saga as I think they were after using Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 When a promoter becomes unpopular with the management group, any opportunity is taken to slap him down. Nicholls is being used and now there is a potentially explosive situation. It would be in the best interests of all, if this decision be reversed otherwise it will grow into a real storm the sport can do without. Any reasonable person would admit that the introduction of this new rule should have been properly planned, meaning from the 2019 season and more equitable in it's scope allowing ALL riders and clubs involved to make decisions. Instead it's been done as a kneejerk reaction, and rushed in for the wrong reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: When a promoter becomes unpopular with the management group, any opportunity is taken to slap him down. Nicholls is being used and now there is a potentially explosive situation. It would be in the best interests of all, if this decision be reversed otherwise it will grow into a real storm the sport can do without. Any reasonable person would admit that the introduction of this new rule should have been properly planned, meaning from the 2019 season and more equitable in it's scope allowing ALL riders and clubs involved to make decisions. Instead it's been done as a kneejerk reaction, and rushed in for the wrong reasons. No it wouldn't. You can't change the rules AFTER most teams have completed their teambuilding. I agree that these kind of rules should be agreed in advance, so it would be interesting to know the timeline of when this rule change was proposed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: Any reasonable person would admit that the introduction of this new rule should have been properly planned, meaning from the 2019 season and more equitable in it's scope allowing ALL riders and clubs involved to make decisions. Instead it's been done as a kneejerk reaction, and rushed in for the wrong reasons. It's not a new rule, it's the reintroduction of a long standing rule. The mistake was in removing it for last season which only added to the disasterous level of doubling up. According to the BSPA statement it was reintroduced to regain a measure of control, but if that was the case then it should have reverted to it's original intent of blocking all riders over 6, with or without a CL average. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Yes I agree probably to get back at them for the Jack Holder saga as I think they were after using Scott. The decision now may be ' because its Peterborough' However originally Scott had an offer at Lakeside which was blocked He also had contact from another Championship club which he declined If the MC had decided to reintroduce the over 6 rule (removed in 2017) then Im puzzled as to why that other club spoke to him Perhaps it was only after that refusal the goalposts were moved...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Allowing Morris to double up is the joke of the season I’m afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, GWC said: Allowing Morris to double up is the joke of the season I’m afraid. Quite agree I assume Cook could have doubled up too if he wanted to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, MattK said: No it wouldn't. You can't change the rules AFTER most teams have completed their teambuilding. I agree that these kind of rules should be agreed in advance, so it would be interesting to know the timeline of when this rule change was proposed. Well I think they could of changed the rule as it only affected a couple of riders, can't see why not. If Morris can double up anyone should be able to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, GWC said: Allowing Morris to double up is the joke of the season I’m afraid. Ditto Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 All this hoohaa about Scott, whereas Edward seems to be keeping a very low profile!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 rules should be consistent, either ALL riders with a PL average over 6 not allowed to ride CL, or allow them all. the idea of not wanting the league strengths so similar is a cop out when they make the 8pt ruling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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