Star Lady Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Read lots of comments on social media about Scott & Ed being unable to double up but I haven't actually seen the rule it refers to. Can anyone tell me exactly what it says please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Star Lady, on 08 Dec 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:Read lots of comments on social media about Scott & Ed being unable to double up but I haven't actually seen the rule it refers to. Can anyone tell me exactly what it says please? You don't actually think they write the rules down do you ? Our sport has been run for many seasons now by the Back Scratchers Rules .. If we let you do this , we will allow you to do that ! ................Some Promoters just have to hope they done upset anyone & get refused ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 You don't actually think they write the rules down do you ? Our sport has been run for many seasons now by the Back Scratchers Rules .. If we let you do this , we will allow you to do that ! ................Some Promoters just have to hope they done upset anyone & get refused ! If it is not written down, when they realise the rule is a complete co#k up and not thought through properly they can deny it existed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) It's ridiculous allowing the likes of Cook (GP rider-British Champion-World Cup rider et)c to ride in Division 2 but not allow Scott Nicholls to do so also even though his average in Division 1 is lower that Cook's. Nick Morris is also allowed to ride in Division 2 who also has an average higher that Scott's. Scott Nicholls would be within his rights to consider taking this matter to a higher authority than The BSPA. Incidentally both Chris Harris & Rory Schlein averaged more than him also and they are allowed to continue to ride in Division 2. Edited December 8, 2017 by Barrow Boy 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's a decision which beggars belief, excluding two British riders who would enhance the second division and put bums on seats. Would love to hear the BSPA's reasoning. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Read lots of comments on social media about Scott & Ed being unable to double up but I haven't actually seen the rule it refers to. Can anyone tell me exactly what it says please? It's basically the rule that's been in operation for years. Remember the Joe Screen average reducing furore, and 1 or 2 others? It used to be that a 1st division rider with an average of 8 or above couldn't drop down to the 2nd division. It was later reduced to 6 until this year when it was dropped to open the flood gates to doubling up. They've decided to bring it back for next season with the addition that it only applies to riders without a CL average from this season. Edited December 8, 2017 by Alan Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's a decision which beggars belief, excluding two British riders who would enhance the second division and put bums on seats. Would love to hear the BSPA's reasoning. It's a perfectly good decision. The problem is they relaxed it last year so now, in order to bring it back, you get inequality. They should never have allowed riders below 6 to drop down in the first place. Then everyone would know where they are and there would be no issue. Now we have riders like Harris free to ride in the lower tier whereas Nicholls isn't. Harris should never have been allowed there in the first place. I'm not sure riders like Nick Morris should still be in the lower tier either. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) I think that riders of that ilk enhance the second division personally. But as you say it's silly to just exclude two riders, British ones at that. Morris puzzles me a bit as you'd have thought he would want to be riding regularly in Europe to speed up his development and regular Championship speedway doesn't lend itself to that. But riders like Harris, Nicholls, Kennett etc are past their best and as Brits should be able to double up if they so wish. Edited December 8, 2017 by Gordon Bennett 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Why Nichols and Kennet, but not Morris who coincidentally has a higher average in the Prem than both Nichols and Kennet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Why Nichols and Kennet, but not Morris who coincidentally has a higher average in the Prem than both Nichols and Kennet Because he's got an average from this year and they haven't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's a rule that didn't need to be made as only two riders are affected by it. This is the BSPA shooting itself in the foot, again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Arbitrary. If Nicholls’ PL average converts to less than 12 for the CL, what’s the problem? Common sense tells there’s no difference between Harris and Nicholls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 They should've doubled up last season to get the CL ave. but, apart from that,,, why was Nicholls allowed to guest (as an illegal rider),,, all those results should be overturned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 They should've doubled up last season to get the CL ave. but, apart from that,,, why was Nicholls allowed to guest (as an illegal rider),,, all those results should be overturned. ...because it was illogical not illegal until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I thought the bspa was looking at the rule again on Tuesday of this week seen it in the speedway star yesterday if changed more riders would be able to double up including Hans andersen and max fricke not sure how it works though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 ...because it was illogical not illegal until now. illogical is commonplace, its speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 If Max Fricke and Hans Andersen double up there would be little or no difference between the leagues ( not that there is now - except for when the Sheffield V Leicester result was rigged ). No need for one Big League as there will be two cloned ones in 2018. And no doubt if any Superstars are somehow attracted back, they will be give permission to double up as & when necessary ( cup ties etc ). All very It's a Knockout. In the best possible taste of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 I thought the bspa was looking at the rule again on Tuesday of this week seen it in the speedway star yesterday if changed more riders would be able to double up including Hans andersen and max fricke not sure how it works though rayc, you are correct. The lead article in the SS says that 'after several protests from clubs' the MC is to recommend that the rule be squashed - but it may need a vote from all clubs, which presumably means it may take a while to achieve and announce (what with modern media and communication being what it is??!!!!!! ). Apparently Lakeside approached both Nicholls and Kennett but were informed they couldn't be signed!! Lakeside knew nothing about the 'ruling'!! This is presumably one of those 'rules' that the MC cannot overturn at the drop of a hat - unlike so many others 'in the best interest of speedway!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Star Lady Posted December 8, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the replies, I won't say clarification cos it still seems as clear as mud to me. It's ridiculous when two loyal BRITISH riders are denied the chance to earnr money in their own country but every Johnny Foreigner and his brother can do so. What a load of crap!!! Edited December 8, 2017 by Star Lady 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Thanks for the replies, I won't say clarification cos it still seems as clear as mud to me. It's ridiculous when two loyal BRITISH riders are denied the chance to earnr money in their own country but every Johnny Foreigner and his brother can do so. What a load of crap!!! Exactly! Doubling up should be for Brits only. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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