uk_martin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Backstraight Viewer said: You have a good point but you have to remember JPB is still only 17 and 2018 will still only be his second full season Bartosz Zmarzlik and Patryk Dudek were in the Ekstraliga at age 16 and didn't have the benefit of a lower league grounding in Poland. I can recall a certain Jeremy Doncaster starting the sport at the deep end too. If JPB wants to progress he won't do it in the NL. He has to move up. And this time he has to swim instead of sink. Too much British potential has been unfulfilled by being comfortable in low leagues and not being challenged at the highest level possible. Do we want JPB to do a Craig Cook and still be riding lower league speedway at age 30? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 39 point limit will do nothing to put badly needed bums on seats ,and may rule out several promising riders that may not even get a team in the Championship 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Did they say who is the new NL chairman at the agm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Unfortunately quite a few top end NL riders seem to be looking for a team place abd the low points limit and less teams won’t help and some of these are also struggling to get a Championship place! Further down, even promising riders like Bowtell are looking for a team! Surely his average is guaranteed to go upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Someone needs to establish what the aims and objectives of the NL are. Are they to: 1. Provide as strong a league as possible, competing for the attentions of CL riders thereby getting as many bums on seats as possible? OR 2. To develop young British talent, allowing a start in the sport to those with talent and determination and providing a competitive springboard into their future careers at a higher level? OR 3. To become a retirement home for low achievers at the ends of their careers or after their form or confidence has been lost, and to act as a "Seniors Tour" for the over 30's? I suspect Stoke would vote for "3", but the problem with 1 & 2 is that you have competing and conflicting interests. Teams like Belle Vue will be glad to nurture young talent as they have a stake in the bigger picture, with the Aces being one of the teams who will benefit from the throughput of talent. Other teams, such as Birmingham, with no further stake in the sport outside of the exit to their car parks will only really care about themselves, will only get aggrieved at the drain of talent that they nurture, and will therefore do what's necessary to win the league (at all costs if some accusations are to be believed) The 39 point limit seems to force a happy medium between 1 & 2, and I only wish that there was some way to compel riders with 8.00 & above averages to ride at a higher level and not block the prospects of young upstarts. I wish that some kind of scheme could be arranged whereby anyone this year finishing the NL on an 8.00 average or above was given a guaranteed CL reserve slot for an entire season, somewhere, in exchange for being barred from the NL next season. It's not penalising success, it's promoting personal development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 34 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Someone needs to establish what the aims and objectives of the NL are. Are they to: 1. Provide as strong a league as possible, competing for the attentions of CL riders thereby getting as many bums on seats as possible? OR 2. To develop young British talent, allowing a start in the sport to those with talent and determination and providing a competitive springboard into their future careers at a higher level? OR 3. To become a retirement home for low achievers at the ends of their careers or after their form or confidence has been lost, and to act as a "Seniors Tour" for the over 30's? I suspect Stoke would vote for "3", but the problem with 1 & 2 is that you have competing and conflicting interests. Teams like Belle Vue will be glad to nurture young talent as they have a stake in the bigger picture, with the Aces being one of the teams who will benefit from the throughput of talent. Other teams, such as Birmingham, with no further stake in the sport outside of the exit to their car parks will only really care about themselves, will only get aggrieved at the drain of talent that they nurture, and will therefore do what's necessary to win the league (at all costs if some accusations are to be believed) The 39 point limit seems to force a happy medium between 1 & 2, and I only wish that there was some way to compel riders with 8.00 & above averages to ride at a higher level and not block the prospects of young upstarts. I wish that some kind of scheme could be arranged whereby anyone this year finishing the NL on an 8.00 average or above was given a guaranteed CL reserve slot for an entire season, somewhere, in exchange for being barred from the NL next season. It's not penalising success, it's promoting personal development. I think most people would agree a combination of 1and 2 is the ideal scenario, but surely the amount of teams in the league and the combined average of last year should be taken into account in some way. Last year was 39 , averages went up and this year less teams. Would have thought even putting it to 40 would not have threatened the development side, but may have made it easier for progressing 4/5 pointers to get a place, rather than 3 pointers who will falter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 4 hours ago, gazzac said: I think most people would agree a combination of 1and 2 is the ideal scenario... And there's the problem. The horse designed by committee scenario. The resulting camel that's designed to be most things to most people and ending up being useless to all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, uk_martin said: And there's the problem. The horse designed by committee scenario. The resulting camel that's designed to be most things to most people and ending up being useless to all. Yep,does tend to give people the hump(or two)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 On 15/12/2017 at 12:31 PM, uk_martin said: Someone needs to establish what the aims and objectives of the NL are. Are they to: 1. Provide as strong a league as possible, competing for the attentions of CL riders thereby getting as many bums on seats as possible? OR 2. To develop young British talent, allowing a start in the sport to those with talent and determination and providing a competitive springboard into their future careers at a higher level? OR 3. To become a retirement home for low achievers at the ends of their careers or after their form or confidence has been lost, and to act as a "Seniors Tour" for the over 30's? I suspect Stoke would vote for "3", but the problem with 1 & 2 is that you have competing and conflicting interests. Teams like Belle Vue will be glad to nurture young talent as they have a stake in the bigger picture, with the Aces being one of the teams who will benefit from the throughput of talent. Other teams, such as Birmingham, with no further stake in the sport outside of the exit to their car parks will only really care about themselves, will only get aggrieved at the drain of talent that they nurture, and will therefore do what's necessary to win the league (at all costs if some accusations are to be believed) The 39 point limit seems to force a happy medium between 1 & 2, and I only wish that there was some way to compel riders with 8.00 & above averages to ride at a higher level and not block the prospects of young upstarts. I wish that some kind of scheme could be arranged whereby anyone this year finishing the NL on an 8.00 average or above was given a guaranteed CL reserve slot for an entire season, somewhere, in exchange for being barred from the NL next season. It's not penalising success, it's promoting personal development. All 3. If you don't entertain people don't come. Very few tracks can't run if the people don't come. Older riders should not be discriminated against but should be used to help the younger ones. The points limit could have been higher. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 44 minutes ago, pete cc said: All 3. I go back to my "horse designed by committee" comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Actually, camels are highly evolved and very useful ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 10 hours ago, *JJ said: Actually, camels are highly evolved and very useful ... Camels are pretty good at being camels. They are not very good at being horses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Depends on what you want them to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, *JJ said: Depends on what you want them to do! Life's too short... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) I have a question about the rules and I didn't feel that it was worth a new thread so I thought this thread would be the best place to ask. If, FOR EXAMPLE, Jason King or Adam McKinna or Andrew Tully was going to make a comeback in the NL, I know they won't and this is purely example, how would their averages be worked out? Or would they come in on 3.00 averages as new British riders? Edited December 29, 2017 by Dandelion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Check their ages first, they might need special dispensation from a pal on the management committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Depends what team they would be going too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 On 29/12/2017 at 8:44 PM, mac101 said: Depends what team they would be going too Stoke Potters, probably. They are usually the specialist receptical for old crocs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Head Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 NL green sheet averages. Are these rolling averages with 2017 included? Are National Trophy and KO Cup included? Does the four home and four away criteria apply? Does the 23 of the month calculation date apply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hobbit Posted June 23, 2018 Report Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) this years green sheet NL Averages 2018 matches only National trophy and knock out cup do not count average earned after completeing FOUR national league matches, be they all home, all away or any combination the new average comes into effect 7 days after completion of the fourth N L match thereafter, all future NL matches up to 23rd of next calendar month go towards each subsequent new average which then takes effect from 1st iof each calendar month unattached 3 point riders can no longer go through the season guesting here there and everywhere without getter by an average. They now get an average after competing in 4 NL matches, no matter who they ride for during those four matches clear as mud!!! Edited June 23, 2018 by the hobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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