Guest GiveusaB Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 mikebv is spot on.....'riders deliberately lowering their average' or at least 'keeping it down'.....how can the authorities not see this ??? Cant blame them ! Blame the BSPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 The lower the points average allowed, the more that riders will deliberately lower their average to make sure they get a ream place the following year. Is there a case for doing away with a total limit for team building ? Rich clubs would probably always win, but who is rich anyway these days ? Points manipulation would disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Seems like the promoters don’t like an early start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 23 hours ago, East End Fan said: The lower the points average allowed, the more that riders will deliberately lower their average to make sure they get a ream place the following year. Is there a case for doing away with a total limit for team building ? Rich clubs would probably always win, but who is rich anyway these days ? Points manipulation would disappear. Is there really that much manipulation going on now we have the rolling averages? I know people talk about it but I am not sure it really happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, stevec said: Is there really that much manipulation going on now we have the rolling averages? I know people talk about it but I am not sure it really happens Rolling averages don’t exist anymore in the top 2 leagues and never did in the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: Rolling averages don’t exist anymore in the top 2 leagues and never did in the NL Lol, just when you think you know it all! Now I get why Kelsey is back on such a low average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Anyway, moving on. Looks like eastie are not using Jake Knight as his average is too high so I am guessing thats been discussed and decided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Kelly Armstrong has posted on Facebook that Jon won't be at Mildenhall because he doesn't fit. Points limit decided, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 39 points, apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, stevec said: Anyway, moving on. Looks like eastie are not using Jake Knight as his average is too high so I am guessing thats been discussed and decided. Where did that come from? his average is about mid way in the top dozen NL riders so not too high unless they are going to do without a top no 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Hunters said: Where did that come from? his average is about mid way in the top dozen NL riders so not too high unless they are going to do without a top no 1. From his twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 No cradley. Sad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Lakeside & Cradley out, Coventry in (subject to confirmation) Cradley to run in National Trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Is it just me or has nothing happened today? It seems like nothing has changed other than Cradley have taken a step back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Seems to me that only 3 things were decided: 1. The points limit was set at 39.00 2. Cradley and Lakeside leave the NL with Leicester Bees being granted a provisional place in the league. 3. The entrants of the National Trophy (including Cradley) No mention about the Swindon Sprockets today, so they must be considered out of the frame next year. Bearing in mind that the Bees inclusion is subject to confirmation, not even that can be guaranteed. Coventry's proposed joint venture this past season with Belle Vue came to nought. Who holds out greater hopes for Mick Horton's proposal for a joint venture with Leicester next year? Nothing in writing to the effect, but the absence of anything contradictory and the inclusion of the Brummies in the National Trophy seems to indicate that the BSPA have approved the new regime at Perry Barr. Masonic handshakes all round then, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstraight Viewer Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Well that's Jon Armstrong, Jake Knight, Connor Mountain and Ben Hopwood confirmed without a team place next year due to the 39 points limit along with potentially others like JPB and Jack Smith who' s averages have increased last season, this must be the only sport I know you get penalised for getting better . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Backstraight Viewer said: ,,,this must be the only sport I know you get penalised for getting better . Not sure that this is a bad thing though. From the bigger picture point of view, don't you want the talent to progress up the league's? Shouldn't JPB now progress in the CL instead of treading water in the lowest league? He can't be allowed to fester in the speedway kindergarten any longer. He needs to start playing with the bigger kids in the playground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstraight Viewer Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 You have a good point but you have to remember JPB is still only 17 and 2018 will still only be his second full season he has a CL place next year with Glasgow yes but if he only gets on average 3 rides a meeting how is he going to get race practice and the chance to earn so he can improve equipment etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 I hate to criticise the NL Promoters who have done so much to keep the sport alive for many or us but I think this is a disaster. When the final teams are declared there will be a load of promising riders without any ride at all. If they were going to do this they might have at least have stipulated no doubling up. As it is we already have Hulme and Morley in two leagues and probably Ayres, Smith and JPB. In will come a dozen 3.0 pointers many of whom are not yet ready. Five have been signed already. With one less team it is double disaster and should mean about 15 to 20 riders left out including the likes of Bacon and Bowtell. This could have been covered to some extent by no double up and an age limit for this league. You cannot take this sort of action without excluding the likes of Atkin, Armstrong,Bowen Hurry, Boxall and Roynan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, Hunters said: I hate to criticise the NL Promoters who have done so much to keep the sport alive for many or us but I think this is a disaster. When the final teams are declared there will be a load of promising riders without any ride at all. If they were going to do this they might have at least have stipulated no doubling up. As it is we already have Hulme and Morley in two leagues and probably Ayres, Smith and JPB. In will come a dozen 3.0 pointers many of whom are not yet ready. Five have been signed already. With one less team it is double disaster and should mean about 15 to 20 riders left out including the likes of Bacon and Bowtell. This could have been covered to some extent by no double up and an age limit for this league. You cannot take this sort of action without excluding the likes of Atkin, Armstrong,Bowen Hurry, Boxall and Roynan. Totally agree, another fine example of diluting a pretty good product ( the nl) and making it less attractive for spectators and bad for the riders on the second/third rung of development as they could be frozen out over averages. Just not enough Kemps and Edwards to justify the points limit, will be a lot of poor 3 pointers in teams next year with a lot of poor races. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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