Pinny Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 4:11 PM, Sidney the robin said: ZAGAR who i have followed since his Trelawney days ie) with an ancient Holloway, Harris, Masters,Ondrasik, he is an underachiever a really classy rider who has never quite stepped up to the mark. Expand Totally agree, he was superb in about 2003 , the same season Iversen landed at Newport. Both came in on 9.00 and both increased that figure which was rare in those days with the standard of rider they came up against. I remember a certain Nick Dyer from Reading stating Jonas Davidsson would be better than both, where is he these days?! (And Davidsson for that matter!). heard whispers that Zagar lacks the professionalism and doesnt take the sport as seriously as he should, same as Jonsson. Both extremely talented, exciting riders who were more than capable of winning a world title - Jonsson more so imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 4:40 PM, Pinny said: Totally agree, he was superb in about 2003 , the same season Iversen landed at Newport. Both came in on 9.00 and both increased that figure which was rare in those days with the standard of rider they came up against. I remember a certain Nick Dyer from Reading stating Jonas Davidsson would be better than both, where is he these days?! (And Davidsson for that matter!). heard whispers that Zagar lacks the professionalism and doesnt take the sport as seriously as he should, same as Jonsson. Both extremely talented, exciting riders who were more than capable of winning a world title - Jonsson more so imo. Expand To be honest Pinny my youngest lad was a big Charlie Gdedde fan and i always rated Niels higher we used to argue our cases having a laugh.Did i think Niel's would ever be a GP star probably not but Newport in Niel's ,Smart, Watson(who I liked) really had some nice riders.Going back to ZAGAR he was a class act and i first see him when Holloway (who then was old took Simon Phillip's place and Matei was a class act looking back ZAGAR has had a great career but he was certainly World Champion material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 4:58 PM, Sidney the robin said: To be honest Pinny my youngest lad was a big Charlie Gdedde fan and i always rated Niels higher we used to argue our cases having a laugh.Did i think Niel's would ever be a GP star probably not but Newport in Niel's ,Smart, Watson(who I liked) really had some nice riders.Going back to ZAGAR he was a class act and i first see him when Holloway (who then was old took Simon Phillip's place and Matei was a class act looking back ZAGAR has had a great career but he was certainly World Champion material. Expand The year we had Watson, Smart and Iversen we also had Atkin who averaged about 7 and Wilkinson who had his first season in the 1-5 and added to his average by over a point. quite remarkable that side finished 10th out of 18, just shows how good the PL was back in them days. Gjedde was a class act for Swindon, in 2001 the year we had Cunningham and Masters at Newport and were bottom me and my dad used to go to Swindon most thursdays, seen Gjedde ride there for Reading easy 18 point max, Bjarne Pedersen and Fryer had a cracking race that season, great days. Gjedde around the Abbey was sensational, only spent 2/3 of a season at Newport in 2011 but averaged 10.50 overall and was brilliant, most dominant Wasp I had seen even more dominant than a prime Watson I would say. Iversen I thought may of jumped a year too early, I remember he agreed a deal with Tim Stone to return to Newport the next season and was set to double up and then I think they scrapped the double up/down rule meaning Waggy signed him full time for Oxford. That screwed Newports team plans right up I remember Tim Stone telling my old man the side he had planned and it would of taken some stopping. Anyway back on topic, I suppose Zagar has had his fair share of chances and has never been top 3 so if he doesnt make top 8 this season it would be difficult to justify giving him a wild card . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Oh how i wish Nicki P had told Greg "mr nice guy" Handoncock to feck off with his false grin when he tried to hog the limelight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:19 PM, Pinny said: The year we had Watson, Smart and Iversen we also had Atkin who averaged about 7 and Wilkinson who had his first season in the 1-5 and added to his average by over a point. quite remarkable that side finished 10th out of 18, just shows how good the PL was back in them days. Gjedde was a class act for Swindon, in 2001 the year we had Cunningham and Masters at Newport and were bottom me and my dad used to go to Swindon most thursdays, seen Gjedde ride there for Reading easy 18 point max, Bjarne Pedersen and Fryer had a cracking race that season, great days. Gjedde around the Abbey was sensational, only spent 2/3 of a season at Newport in 2011 but averaged 10.50 overall and was brilliant, most dominant Wasp I had seen even more dominant than a prime Watson I would say. Iversen I thought may of jumped a year too early, I remember he agreed a deal with Tim Stone to return to Newport the next season and was set to double up and then I think they scrapped the double up/down rule meaning Waggy signed him full time for Oxford. That screwed Newports team plans right up I remember Tim Stone telling my old man the side he had planned and it would of taken some stopping. Anyway back on topic, I suppose Zagar has had his fair share of chances and has never been top 3 so if he doesnt make top 8 this season it would be difficult to justify giving him a wild card . Expand Sorry for the silly hassle between us Pinny over the years great post and funny thing is i only went to Somerton Park once i.e.) when Crump was a beast a class act rider and man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:28 PM, Sidney the robin said: Sorry for the silly hassle between us Pinny over the years great post and funny thing is i only went to Somerton Park once i.e.) when Crump was a beast a class act rider and man. Expand No worries , only online forum banter afterall.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:30 PM, Pinny said: No worries , only online forum banter afterall.! Expand Great stuff sorry again Pinny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Can't say I thought of Zagar as a potential world champ.I mean who was he going to beat? I'd say Emil,Ward and even Lindbäck could have been and it is possible Emil still might,but I think his chances have likely passed.Jankowski and Zmarzlik I think have much better stats and still might never win a title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:34 PM, iris123 said: Can't say I thought of Zagar as a potential world champ.I mean who was he going to beat? I'd say Emil,Ward and even Lindbäck could have been and it is possible Emil still might,but I think his chances have likely passed.Jankowski and Zmarzlik I think have much better stats and still might never win a title Expand On 8/26/2018 at 5:34 PM, iris123 said: Can't say I thought of Zagar as a potential world champ.I mean who was he going to beat? I'd say Emil,Ward and even Lindbäck could have been and it is possible Emil still might,but I think his chances have likely passed.Jankowski and Zmarzlik I think have much better stats and still might never win a title Expand Yes you could be right in my lifetime Jansson,Crump,snr ) Ward,Adams, are four riders who were good anough to be World Champion.Lindback for me never good anough go back into yesteryear Farndon,Duggan were nailed on World Champs and maybe Graham Warren should of won one as well??! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:44 PM, Sidney the robin said: Yes you could be right in my lifetime Jansson,Crump,snr ) Ward,Adams, are four riders who were good anough to be World Champion.Lindback for me never good anough go back into yesteryear Farndon,Duggan were nailed on World Champs and maybe Graham Warren should of won one as well??! Expand Zagar definately had the talent in his younger years, there was a hugely talented crop of u21 riders around in the 2001/2/3 days. Lindgren, Lindback, Iversen, Zagar, Hampel, Dryml.... quite how none of them, to date, have won a world title is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 5:57 PM, Pinny said: Zagar definately had the talent in his younger years, there was a hugely talented crop of u21 riders around in the 2001/2/3 days. Lindgren, Lindback, Iversen, Zagar, Hampel, Dryml.... quite how none of them, to date, have won a world title is beyond me. Expand Dryml before nearly being killed was a real class act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 I remember the World U21 final at P’boro in 2002 or 2003 that Kujawa won, I think Hampel and Dryml also made the podium and Zagar, Hans, Freddie Eriksson and one or two others were in it (Okenowski?) with Stead and Howe representing GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Great days , we had Kujawa at Newport in 2004.... 000 on his debut and sacked!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 On 8/26/2018 at 4:40 PM, Pinny said: I remember a certain Nick Dyer from Reading stating Jonas Davidsson would be better than both, where is he these days?! (And Davidsson for that matter!). Expand Yeah, I often wonder what happened to Nick? Haven't heard anything from him in years; does anybody know? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 They said on Polish TV yesterday that the man who pushed Nicki in the melee was Magic’s father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) On 8/27/2018 at 7:37 AM, racers and royals said: They said on Polish TV yesterday that the man who pushed Nicki in the melee was Magic’s father. Expand Apart from a measly 2000 euro fine for Janowski, which probably equates to 2 points in the Polish league, his side kick (father or not) needs a 1 meeting pit ban - even if part of an essential team. This has got to stop, where everyone and his dog can throw punches about. That's 2 meetings running now that NP has been targeted after supposed incidents on the track which most on here agree were ok moves. If allowed to, I can see this going back on the track in the form of lets do the dirty on NP (or Freddie), culminating in someone getting seriously injured......and I mean seriously. Bartoz Zmarzlik is not the little innocent neither. Referees are going to have to toughen up on whats going on, be firm, fair, and most of all consistent. And whilst mentioning firm, fair and consistent….. the starts need to be sorted. Not for the first time in the GPs this year has a rider been penalized for a perfect start. Dudek did a perfect start, yet lost out big time. that's not fair. Left to human judgement that situation is likely to continue. Transponders, electric beam, green light starts, or a combination of or something else.... something needs doing ready for next season. Edited August 27, 2018 by OveFundinFan 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 7:37 AM, racers and royals said: They said on Polish TV yesterday that the man who pushed Nicki in the melee was Magic’s father. Expand Was that not also mentioned on the BT commentary? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 9:20 AM, ancient mariner said: Was that not also mentioned on the BT commentary? Expand Not that i heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PHILIPRISING Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 10:55 AM, racers and royals said: Not that i heard. Expand TRUE though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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